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Kevin Durant Leaves OKC- Joining Warriors

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mhi said:
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Called it earlier. Presti is smart. He knows the days of an NBA franchise in the Oklahoma are numbered.
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Come back to Seattle Zombie Sonics. Steal a franchise and the go cheap when you have 3 uber talents and a great roleplayer. This is a bit iver the top obviously but Feel bad for their fans but this is like saying you feel bad for the family of a criminal who puts his blood in a bad light

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mhi said:
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Called it earlier. Presti is smart. He knows the days of an NBA franchise in the Oklahoma are numbered.
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I've been in Tulsa for the past week.

I've seen more Thunder stuff then I've seen Cowboys, Cardinals, Rangers, Sooners, (the other) OSU, and every other team combined.

It's a cash cow for them out here. They'll go through a rough period like we did circa 2010, but they'll bounce back find a new superstar, and will continue to show up.

GREAT market for the NBA. They OWN this place. More than any other NBA team i've ever seen in my life.
 
Has anyone woken the Wolves front office up yet and informed them no one in their conference can guard their 20 year old stud yet? Time to go win some damn games, boys. You haven't been to the playoffs in umpteen fucking years. Call up the Bulls, get serious, get Jimmy Butler. Give the Warriors hell.
 
Triple-S said:
It's a cash cow for them out here. They'll go through a rough period like we did circa 2010, but they'll bounce back find a new superstar, and will continue to show up.
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Easier said than done as we all know. IMO, if they lose Westbrook the clock on their sale will kick off that very second. And I can't imagine they put together an local ownership fast enough with other qualified groups already formed and ready to pounce.
 
mhi said:
Easier said than done as we all know. IMO, if they lose Westbrook the clock on their sale will kick off that very second. And I can't imagine they put together an local ownership fast enough with other qualified groups already formed and ready to pounce.
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Karma is a bitch! Bring back our Sonics!!!
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
As I've said in the past, Tornicade will bide his time, get a feel for the public opinion, and then argue the opposite side with random supporting facts

Here he even used the argument FOR why it was worse for Durant to leave and applied it to why it wasn't worse for him to leave. Remarkable
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Lebron left the Cavs with nothing. absolutely nothing. Durant is leaving OKC with Westbrook and a young core.

I'm not sure how you could think that was worse because if James hadn't come back we might still be rebuilding 6 year later

not only that We had to watch on National fuckin television LeBron go on for a half hout before he finally executed the kill shot.

OKC is still in a position to be competitive not an instant joke of the NBA.

and while I wasn't on these boards when it happened I was on the other site and it was pretty awful for everyone. putting our hopes that AV Williams, JJ and antawn could at least be competitive. and they were for 20 games and then reality set in.
 
Tornicade said:
Lebron left the Cavs with nothing. absolutely nothing. Durant is leaving OKC with Westbrook and a young core.

I'm not sure how you could think that was worse because if James hadn't come back we might still be rebuilding 6 year later

not only that We had to watch on National fuckin television LeBron go on for a half hout before he finally executed the kill shot.

OKC is still in a position to be competitive not an instant joke of the NBA.

and while I wasn't on these boards when it happened I was on the other site and it was pretty awful for everyone. putting our hopes that AV Williams, JJ and antawn could at least be competitive. and they were for 20 games and then reality set in.
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If you actually want to be in position for the title at some point why is OKC's current position better than the Cavs post LeBron? Being a periennial 5-8 seed without real potential to challenge for a title long term is a worse recipe for success than accumulating lottery picks, IMO.
 
Northstar said:
If you actually want to be in position for the title at some point why is OKC's current position better than the Cavs post LeBron? Being a periennial 5-8 seed without real potential to challenge for a title long term is a worse recipe for success than accumulating lottery picks, IMO.
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Is threal? Cavs were loaded with vet talent geared to specifically augmenting Lebron James. OKC has a top 5 player still on their roster and young talent to move and groove.

Perhaps Westbrook leaves next season. perhaps OKC trades him for some return. who knows. the point is is that OKC is in position for recovery whereas LeBron leaving the cavs was a massive nuke with nothing to show.

Would you rather have a young talented roster with players in demand or just be lucky enough to take advantage of some other teams foolishness.

If Westbrook extends OKC is right in the Free agent hunt next season. If he is leaving we all know Presti wont hesitate to pull the trigger. and get max return for a westbrook caliber player on his final season.

Either way when you have a superstar leave your gonna have a vacuum. the question here is what is worse. Kanters contract suddenly isn't an overpay. and is quite tradeable.

OKC first round picks are protected. they have 7 guys under 25 on their roster and three tradeable assets in Westbrook, Ilyasova, and Kanter.

OKC is way ahead of the rebuild game than what the cavs were. The Franchise isn't on life support
 
People are severely underrating how good that Pachulia pickup was. He was the starting center on a playoff team just last year. He is at worst an average starting center and he is being paid 1/8 of a starting NBA center's market value this offseason. It's not even fair.
 
Tornicade said:
Is threal? Cavs were loaded with vet talent geared to specifically augmenting Lebron James. OKC has a top 5 player still on their roster and young talent to move and groove.

Perhaps Westbrook leaves next season. perhaps OKC trades him for some return. who knows. the point is is that OKC is in position for recovery whereas LeBron leaving the cavs was a massive nuke with nothing to show.

Would you rather have a young talented roster with players in demand or just be lucky enough to take advantage of some other teams foolishness.

If Westbrook extends OKC is right in the Free agent hunt next season. If he is leaving we all know Presti wont hesitate to pull the trigger. and get max return for a westbrook caliber player on his final season.

Either way when you have a superstar leave your gonna have a vacuum. the question here is what is worse. Kanters contract suddenly isn't an overpay. and is quite tradeable.

OKC first round picks are protected. they have 7 guys under 25 on their roster and three tradeable assets in Westbrook, Ilyasova, and Kanter.

OKC is way ahead of the rebuild game than what the cavs were. The Franchise isn't on life support
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So you are arguing that it's better to leave a title contender with another elite player on it to join a historically great team (that just beat your team when you were up 3-1, that has the two time reigning mvp, and that has 4 of the 10 best players in the world and five team usa members) than to leave a team where the second best player wasn't even a top 25 NBA player for a Heat team that was knocked out the year before in the first round, that the guy leaving never faced in the playoffs, and that hadn't been relevant in four years? This is some Fox News level spin.
 
Triple-S said:
I've been in Tulsa for the past week.

I've seen more Thunder stuff then I've seen Cowboys, Cardinals, Rangers, Sooners, (the other) OSU, and every other team combined.

It's a cash cow for them out here. They'll go through a rough period like we did circa 2010, but they'll bounce back find a new superstar, and will continue to show up.

GREAT market for the NBA. They OWN this place. More than any other NBA team i've ever seen in my life.
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All I will say is it is easy to be a fan when your team since inception is a perrenial title contendor.

This is their first rebuild. Let's see how it goes. I sure as hell won't be rooting for them (Sonics 4 lyfe!!!!)
 
ACisKING said:
So you are arguing that it's better to leave a title contender with another elite player on it to join a historically great team (that just beat your team when you were up 3-1, that has the two time reigning mvp, and that has 4 of the 10 best players in the world and five team usa members) than to leave a team where the second best player wasn't even a top 25 NBA player for a Heat team that was knocked out the year before in the first round, that the guy leaving never faced in the playoffs, and that hadn't been relevant in four years? This is some Fox News level spin.
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I am not arguing just stating Lebron leaving Cleveland was the most devastating Free agency move to a Franchise ever and Durant leaving OKC doesn't even come close.
It didn't even matter where Lebron left to . it was that he left at all and the way he went about it.

OKC fans have some consolation regarding their team and franchise. The Cavs had none. I'm not even sure why I am on a Cavs board having Cavs fans tell me that this departure is as bad as worse than Lebron Leaving..

I understand Cavs fans feel good about winning the ship but don't forget what we went through the last 5 years to get to this stage.
 
Tornicade said:
I am not arguing just stating Lebron leaving Cleveland was the most devastating Free agency move to a Franchise ever and Durant leaving OKC doesn't even come close.
It didn't even matter where Lebron left to . it was that he left at all and the way he went about it.

OKC fans have some consolation regarding their team and franchise. The Cavs had none. I'm not even sure why I am on a Cavs board having Cavs fans tell me that this departure is as bad as worse than Lebron Leaving..

I understand Cavs fans feel good about winning the ship but don't forget what we went through the last 5 years to get to this stage.
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Because you are looking at it from the fans perspective.

I agree from the fan perspective it was far, far worse for the Cavs.

We are all saying from a player's perspective what Durant did was much more cowardly. His decision was basically waving the white flag saying I can't be the #1 OR #2 option and be a champion. I am a cuck.
 
gourimoko said:
I think a lot of people are really not being objective here or just aren't familiar with the Warriors personnel. They are much better with this trade. I'm not going to argue ref advantages or illegal screens; who the fuck knows what will happen with all of that. What I do know is that the Cavs will have a difficult time trapping/doubling again, which was a big part of our defensive strategy.

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Folks need to STOP saying they don't have depth.

They have Iggy and Livingston, and they also have the room exception and vet min deals are possible. They could bring back Barbosa and Varejao. Their second unit will very likely run with Durant and Livingston.

Let's slow down with thinking they're somehow fucked by adding a Top 3 player in the league - because if the Cavs had added Durant, nobody would be saying these things.
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I really hate to agree with this but Gourimoko is absolutely right. We are possibly looking at the best team in NBA history here. Four all-NBA players, the two reigning MVPs (Curry for two years and Durant right before that), three of the top long distance shooters ever to play the game, one first team NBA all defensive team player and three other very good to excellent defenders (Iggy, Thompson, Durant).

They really have no weaknesses; they just have areas where they are less strong than other areas.

The only silver lining to this is that anyone who defeats them for the championship immediately enters into legend.
 
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