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The Game (2016) | #2 Ohio State vs. #3 TTUN | November 26th, 2016 @ Noon
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That is the angle you are looking for for conformation. Pretty damn clear his forward progress got over the 15 yard line. There is nothing to be arguing about here. Glad we finally found the definitive proof. The refs got it right.
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Just the tip.
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God, there are so many fake videos out there. If you have after effects and 20 minutes, you can do this.
The great thing about perspective is a vanishing point never lies.
If this video wasn't doctored, the lines you see would all converge at the same point (in the yellow circle).
I mean, they aren't even close.
What this tells you is the person who made the video shifted the perspective in a program like after affects. It is the reason why it is so zoomed in and cropped. The effect would be super obvious without cropping out all the garbage the program would produce on the outer edges of the film. It produces what is called a "pulling" effect where the distortion creates pixel stretch that looks like the film is being stretched on a piece of latex. It also would create large black spots in the corners where the film is bent and there is no additional information to fill that real estate. Look in the upper right hand corner of the video going around....you can see some of it.
The other thing perspective shows you is how angles that are 90* should display if the item is un-doctored. So things like the yard lines and hash marks create 90* angles where they meet (the green box). From that, you can show where the hashmarks should display if this perspective is unaltered. Again, not even close. With how the yard lines display, the hash marks should tilt slightly downward towards the end zone, they do the opposite of what perspective says they should.
This end result can be accomplished fairly easily by anyone who knows what they are doing and it is convincing, until you do the vanishing point test. This was something my college professor did a lot with hollywood movies to show how special effects don't need to be perfect to completely deceive someone watching it.
The easy giveaway is Lewis though. Look at his stance on the left of the picture. He's somehow able to run forward while leaning backwards, which obviously looks entirely unnatural.....because it is.
There is no video that exists that is conclusive. If there were, it would have been shown a long, long time ago. At this point, there's nothing anyone can do. Ohio State won, Michigan lost but the amount of time Ohio State fans are putting in to making fake videos is pretty funny.
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Active shooter reported at Watts Hall on campus. I hope everyone is safe.
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God, there are so many fake videos out there. If you have after effects and 20 minutes, you can do this.
The great thing about perspective is a vanishing point never lies.
If this video wasn't doctored, the lines you see would all converge at the same point (in the yellow circle).
I mean, they aren't even close.
What this tells you is the person who made the video shifted the perspective in a program like after affects. It is the reason why it is so zoomed in and cropped. The effect would be super obvious without cropping out all the garbage the program would produce on the outer edges of the film. It produces what is called a "pulling" effect where the distortion creates pixel stretch that looks like the film is being stretched on a piece of latex. It also would create large black spots in the corners where the film is bent and there is no additional information to fill that real estate. Look in the upper right hand corner of the video going around....you can see some of it.
The other thing perspective shows you is how angles that are 90* should display if the item is un-doctored. So things like the yard lines and hash marks create 90* angles where they meet (the green box). From that, you can show where the hashmarks should display if this perspective is unaltered. Again, not even close. With how the yard lines display, the hash marks should tilt slightly downward towards the end zone, they do the opposite of what perspective says they should.
This end result can be accomplished fairly easily by anyone who knows what they are doing and it is convincing, until you do the vanishing point test. This was something my college professor did a lot with hollywood movies to show how special effects don't need to be perfect to completely deceive someone watching it.
The easy giveaway is Lewis though. Look at his stance on the left of the picture. He's somehow able to run forward while leaning backwards, which obviously looks entirely unnatural.....because it is.
There is no video that exists that is conclusive. If there were, it would have been shown a long, long time ago. At this point, there's nothing anyone can do. Ohio State won, Michigan lost but the amount of time Ohio State fans are putting in to making fake videos is pretty funny.
The lengths Michigan fans are going to in order to turn this into a government-wide conspiracy second only to the JFK assassination are also pretty hilarious.
Pretty sure I saw the Zapruder film being used as evidence. In any call that close, it's clear the call on the field stands.
Michigan's three turnovers cost them the game, and that's really all it comes down to.
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Not according to your coach.
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http://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum...16/11/77265/photo-proof-jt-got-the-first-down
There's really just no chance the ball didn't break the plane of the 15. This "debate" is asinine.
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Internally, Michigan is saying they have sideline footage that their video team shot that shows him short. If they never release it, then I think they are fueling the tin hat stuff. Even from the beginning, which you can see in this thread, I have held the belief that there was nothing that could be done with the on field call. There's absolutely no way, with the angles they had, that you could give or takeaway a first down based on the on field call. I think the public back and forth has to do with the behind the play angle not delivering much given how perspective works. The best angle (sideline, behind the 15) doesn't do anything other than show that it's too close to make a judgement without a shot down the line (which everyone is trying to doctor both ways).
I think Harbaugh going off the rails doesn't help their public position at all because the conference and Delany (who doesn't particularly like UM) has to be livid that a coach would ignite a fire like that after such a closely contested and widely watched game.
It seems like it makes it more difficult for Michigan to do anything publicly on the heels of Harbaugh campaigning like he did. If you can exit that press conference and hold your tongue, it might be easier to release footage that is more beneficial to your public stance.....but with everything that was said, I have a feeling the conference was pretty stern behind closed doors that Michigan needs to move on and not fan the public discourse any more.
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God, there are so many fake videos out there. If you have after effects and 20 minutes, you can do this.
The great thing about perspective is a vanishing point never lies.
If this video wasn't doctored, the lines you see would all converge at the same point (in the yellow circle).
I mean, they aren't even close.
What this tells you is the person who made the video shifted the perspective in a program like after affects. It is the reason why it is so zoomed in and cropped. The effect would be super obvious without cropping out all the garbage the program would produce on the outer edges of the film. It produces what is called a "pulling" effect where the distortion creates pixel stretch that looks like the film is being stretched on a piece of latex. It also would create large black spots in the corners where the film is bent and there is no additional information to fill that real estate. Look in the upper right hand corner of the video going around....you can see some of it.
The other thing perspective shows you is how angles that are 90* should display if the item is un-doctored. So things like the yard lines and hash marks create 90* angles where they meet (the green box). From that, you can show where the hashmarks should display if this perspective is unaltered. Again, not even close. With how the yard lines display, the hash marks should tilt slightly downward towards the end zone, they do the opposite of what perspective says they should.
This end result can be accomplished fairly easily by anyone who knows what they are doing and it is convincing, until you do the vanishing point test. This was something my college professor did a lot with hollywood movies to show how special effects don't need to be perfect to completely deceive someone watching it.
The easy giveaway is Lewis though. Look at his stance on the left of the picture. He's somehow able to run forward while leaning backwards, which obviously looks entirely unnatural.....because it is.
There is no video that exists that is conclusive. If there were, it would have been shown a long, long time ago. At this point, there's nothing anyone can do. Ohio State won, Michigan lost but the amount of time Ohio State fans are putting in to making fake videos is pretty funny.
The amount of time Michigan fans are spending whining is even more funny
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Huh? What does Delaney have against UM?
Please tell me this isn't like Penn State cultists thinking the Big 10 has some conspiracy against them.
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Haha, no. He's done things to Michigan that would typically never be done to a team that is important to the conference but not on the BWI crazy train. That is next level stuff.
Like for one, not staggering their protected rivalry schedule. Michigan has to play Michigan State and Ohio State both on the road every other year now. Go try to find another conference that did that to a marquee team. It's the same reason Alabama staggers Tennessee and Auburn......or OSU had Michigan and PSU/MSU staggered.
They also forced Michigan to play MSU in back to back seasons on the road (2013/2014) because the conference decided to realign with two awful new teams. What would have been your response if the B1G forced OSU to play in AA in back to back seasons? What made it even worse was the conference knowing Michigan also played @ND that season.
The 4 years after the conference added PSU, they gave them a bye the week before UM agme and made UM play @PSU that first season.
Additionally, there's a lot of bad blood between Schembechler and Delany, which I think the Chicago Tribune has written about. Where Delany was wading in to officiating matters that he just should not be when Bo was at UM. All of that has now been unearthed again after it was noted that the league assigned an official that was once denied the chance to officiate an OSU/UM game because of previous comments and another guy who was dismissed from the conference for poor performance.
He also went to bat for OSU during the Sugar Bowl fiasco and publicly defended them even after it was proven OSU players received improper benefits over the course of Tressell's tenure. He then never publicly supported Michigan during the "stretchgate" nonsense under RR which occurred later and made public comments after the fact that associated Michigan with schools that were doing things that were laughably worse from an infraction standpoint.
There are other things like his lack of vocal support in 2006 for a Michigan / OSU rematch and him being really friendly with the SEC in such matters that haven't exactly endeared him to the AD at UM.
So no, it is not on PSU levels but there is a history there between the commissioner and university where the AD thinks they have done things that weren't exactly pro UM or even flatly unbiased. I don't know what to read in to any of the officiating stuff as a whole, the scheduling stuff bothers me more but the only eyebrow raiser is an official being dismissed because of poor performance and then somehow brought back by the conference, only to work a game he shouldn't be working. Given how poor the officiating has been in the conference as a whole, I don't know why the conference even puts themselves in that position?
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