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What other light would you paint Kennedy in given the setting/scenario, and how does painting him in a positive light qualify as an "agenda?"

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I wouldn't paint him in any other light. Details can be left out, manipulated, amplified to meet the agenda though.

For the sake of the question of movies serving as informational resources, it's a wrinkle, among others, to consider. Just like there are wrinkles with reddit discussions, snopes, books, and everything else we use for information and to form opinions
 
I wouldn't paint him in any other light. Details can be left out, manipulated, amplified to meet the agenda though.

Were there any specific details that you are referring to?
 
Were there any specific details that you are referring to?
How conversations with generals and CIA went, implied intentions were communicated. Etc.


Facts are facts, and eggs are eggs. t
They can be colored or presented many ways.

I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from, I'm agreeing with you that movies require a fine tooth comb if used as informational resources.

Your first post condemned the idea that we should take movies as indicators and Cliff notes for history.
 
How conversations with generals and CIA went, implied intentions were communicated. Etc.


Facts are facts, and eggs are eggs. t
They can be colored or presented many ways.

I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from, I'm agreeing with you that movies require a fine tooth comb if used as informational resources.

Your first post condemned the idea that we should take movies as indicators and Cliff notes for history.
Wait, so Inglorius Basterds didn't happen?
 
Wait, so Inglorius Basterds didn't happen?

Saw a documentary on History Channel. Evidently Hitler not only survived getting shot in the face 20 times, but escaped!

They are still hunting Hitler down in South America. Even at 127 he is giving guys the slip.
 
Saw a documentary on History Channel. Evidently Hitler not only survived getting shot in the face 20 times, but escaped!

They are still hunting Hitler down in South America. Even at 127 he is giving guys the slip.

The case is Plausible. Doesn't mean it happened and doesn't mean it is accurate but it is plausible that Hitler could have escaped Berlin and fled.

Now is it likely? Probably not but there are a few questions that need answered that have always been a mystery. Why did no one ID the body? Why did the Russians burn/bury it quickly? Did they screw up? Mussolini was displayed upside down in the streets so we knew his fate. Hitler, seemed to be hush hush from the beginning.

Again this is a point of fascinating research. There are multiple intelligence agencies who think he may have fled. This is a part of history I like to research because of how much mystery there is behind it.
 
The case is Plausible. Doesn't mean it happened and doesn't mean it is accurate but it is plausible that Hitler could have escaped Berlin and fled.

I think it is implausible in the extreme. The Soviets hated Hitler with a passion, had every incentive in the world to see him dead, and the forces in place to ensure it happened. Considering how many comparatively minor Nazis were captured as they tried to flee the country, for someone as distinctly recognizeable - and mentally unstable - as Hitler to have escaped Europe is profoundly implausible.

Why did no one ID the body? Why did the Russians burn/bury it quickly?

The Soviets did not capture Hitler alive
It was Hitler loyalists - not the Red Army - that removed his body from the bunker after he committed suicide, and burned it. Twice.

Did they screw up? Mussolini was displayed upside down in the streets so we knew his fate. Hitler, seemed to be hush hush from the beginning.

That's exactly why his SS loyalists burned his body beyond recognition before the Soviets got there - because they didn't want a clearly identifiable Hitler's body displayed in triumph by the Soviets, like Mussolini's. Nothing remotely suspicious about that - makes perfect sense.

Do you think the Soviets should have hung and displayed his lower jawbone? Because that all that was left when they finally reached the Chancery.

Somehow, i don't think that would have been very persuasive.
 
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What's the point? Why are you, personally involved? Be more informed? make change? Inform others?

Speeding through Requiem for the American dream, going to watch Chomsky vs William Buckley.. I have a feeling it's going to be incredible.

Intrigued by the idea of a "libertarian socialist". Brief review of Chomskys Wikipedia has me tentatively behind him closest to my views
 
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The case is Plausible. Doesn't mean it happened and doesn't mean it is accurate but it is plausible that Hitler could have escaped Berlin and fled.

Now is it likely? Probably not but there are a few questions that need answered that have always been a mystery. Why did no one ID the body? Why did the Russians burn/bury it quickly? Did they screw up? Mussolini was displayed upside down in the streets so we knew his fate. Hitler, seemed to be hush hush from the beginning.

Again this is a point of fascinating research. There are multiple intelligence agencies who think he may have fled. This is a part of history I like to research because of how much mystery there is behind it.

Yeah, I have that book (Grey Wolf). It is possible, so much went undocumented as the Reich fell apart, but I remain unconvinced.

I am also very skeptical about Russian claims that they recovered his body at all.

I think it is implausible in the extreme. The Soviets hated Hitler with a passion, had every incentive in the world to see him dead, and the forces in place to ensure it happened. Considering how many comparatively minor Nazis were captured as they tried to flee the country, for someone as distinctly recognizeable - and mentally unstable - as Hitler to have escaped Europe is profoundly implausible.



The Soviets did not capture Hitler alive
It was Hitler loyalists - not the Red Army - that removed his body from the bunker after he committed suicide, and burned it. Twice.



That's exactly why his SS loyalists burned his body beyond recognition before the Soviets got there - because they didn't want a clearly identifiable Hitler's body displayed in triumph by the Soviets, like Mussolini's. Nothing remotely suspicious about that - makes perfect sense.

Do you think the Soviets should have hung and displayed his lower jawbone? Because that all that was left when they finally reached the Chancery.

Somehow, i don't think that would have been very persuasive.

The skull fragments have been proven to be not Hitler's. DNA testing revealed them to be that of a woman but not Eva Braun's.

So, once again, the Russians lie through their teeth about everything.
 
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Yeah, I have that book (Grey Wolf). It is possible, so much went undocumented as the Reich fell apart, but I remain unconvinced.

I am also very skeptical about Russian claims that they recovered his body at all.



The skull fragments have been proven to be not Hitler's. DNA testing revealed them to be that of a woman but not Eva Braun's.

So, once again, the Russians lie through their teeth about everything.

I think that's all true, but that the explanations are as much explainable by the mundane as the malevolent.

Soviet soldiers show up at the Chancellery with orders to get his body. But the SS has (perfectly logically) burned his body precisely do the Red Army can't parade/display it, or even reliably identify it. No DNA testing at that point, right?

So the soldiers/commisars can either 1) tell their superiors they can't find/identify the body, which could lead to rumors that Hitler may have escaped, claims the Soviets "failed to get Hitler", and allegations of incompetence on the part of the soldiers at the Chancellery, etc., or 2) they grab whatever ashy, messy, burnt remains they can, claim "we got him", and bring those remains to their superiors. Of course, those superiors have the same incentives -- nobody wants to tell Uncle Joe that they're not sure, or may not have the right bodies. So they too claim "we got him".

From that point, those remains get buried and moved a few times, and I can just picture the real world scenario when the next unlucky sap is directed to go get them. There's nothing really identifiable, and no way of knowing that they have the right stuff, but nobody wants to be the one to admit that. So, the façade continues. And when they're eventually tested after DNA tests are available, they don't match.

I don't think that requires a true "conspiracy", or supports an idea that Hitler really survived. I think there's a ton of reasons why his survival is/was impossible as a practical matter. The truth is that the SS were successful in accomplish their goal of destroying the body so that it could not be reliably recovered, identified, and paraded in triumph. It's really as simple as that.
 
Driving jobs are strategically being taken out.

Driverless cars will kill us on jobs. Merkel has gone on record as seeing immigrants as an opportunity to take over these jobs, and give them loans to get started with drivers licenses upon immigration.

I don't like any of that. But no one is going to get in the way of singularity.
 
Driving jobs are strategically being taken out.

Driverless cars will kill us on jobs. Merkel has gone on record as seeing immigrants as an opportunity to take over these jobs, and give them loans to get started with drivers licenses upon immigration.

I don't like any of that. But no one is going to get in the way of singularity.
Yeah let's give all of the immigrants from Syria truck driving lessons.. even if only one rogue truck incident, Merkel would be tarred and feathered..
 
Driving jobs are strategically being taken out.

Driverless cars will kill us on jobs. Merkel has gone on record as seeing immigrants as an opportunity to take over these jobs, and give them loans to get started with drivers licenses upon immigration.

I don't like any of that. But no one is going to get in the way of singularity.
You mean like the railroad strategically took out wagon trains?

Technology is the enemy of all forms of manual labor.
 
You mean like the railroad strategically took out wagon trains?

Technology is the enemy of all forms of manual labor.
Not all technology. This one, absolutely.
 
Not all technology. This one, absolutely.
What are you trying to say.
Technology eliminate jobs every day.
Bank Tellers, Meter readers, Librarians, Secretaries (1.1 million jobs lost from 2000-2010), various accounting jobs. Cashiers,

Truck drivers, bus drivers, limousine drivers.. that's about 4 million jobs. that will be lost at some point.

and its all strategic. the strategy of using technology to reduce manpower.
 
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