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Look, I didn't see the second the half for superstitious reasons, but if he continued not putting LBJ on George, that will be his big coaching win this series. Close games don't matter if we win all of them while not having LBJ guard George. So, props to Lie for that.

Sure, Lue deserved blame and credit tonight, for the obvious reasons. The inbound play with 5 secs on the clock that got LBJ an easy layup was a thing of beauty. Also used TOs very well in the 2nd half.

JR and Shump guarded George for the entire 2nd half, with Shump taking him most of the 4th. LBJ covered him occasionally on switches, but George was giving up the ball more quickly. I thought the team defense and team rebounding in the 4th was an even bigger factor than Shump solo (though he was capable enough).
 
Yeah, Lue has been bad, but tonight was a great night out of him. Have to give credit when it's due and he did a marvelous job in the second half.
 
So a good defensive half means there is a system that works? But a bad one means....what now?

Lets get something straight. Indiana is not an offensive juggernaut, and up and until the 2nd half they had been shredding us this series. So if you want to tell me Lue has a system the works, Im gonna need a better good defense to bad defense ratio.

We might be misunderstanding each other here. Or just difference of opinions.

I wasn't specifically trying to praise Lue so much as asking if our defensive issues this year and obviously the first half tonight are system and coaching issues or simply effort/intensity issues.

Now as coach of the team, he needs to be on people and make sure max effort and adherence to the game plan is observed, but the ultimate responsibility in effort and intensity comes from the individual players.

So I was more just asking, besides the halftime score itself, what was the anger or criticism of Lue based upon?

He's a guy who's only had the job for a year and a half, had massive injuries and roster turnover. Great players yes, but we're not going to have the same consistency and adherence to a system that guys like Pop(20+ years with same team), Spo(10+ years straight with team) or even Kerr(three mostly injury free years and several plus defenders)
 
Definitely gotta give credit to Lue for the second half. And as one of the bigger Lue haters on this site, that probably still means nothing. But keep that second half momentum.
 
Ty Lue is the head coach for a team that fired his predecessor while the team had the number 1 seed on lockdown after a win because the GM didn't think the locker room enjoyed the win enough.

That is a hell of a lot of pressure for a coach to handle on a daily basis . knowing that no matter how well you do result wise you could still be on the chopping block.

Any coach of the of Cavaliers is riding Lebron's Coattails. they don't really have a choice

I have no problems bashing on Lue. Heck I do it all the time but what exactly did he do in the 2nd half that worked against the players being successful in pulling out the win.
 
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Agreed - he is a maestro of drawing up plays.

Absolutely.

I checked the ATO numbers earlier in the season and I think Lue was very very high on the list. Blatt was always pretty good, a top 10-12 guy, but Lue is absolutely elite in this area. He constantly produces great shots. He's had a handful already in the playoffs that were Popovich-esque. The Korver lay-up the other day, the LeBron lay-up today, were two absolutely stunning basketball plays.

I wish I had Synergy active right now. I'd go get and post the numbers. I'm sure they're stellar. The playoff ones might be even better.
 
Guy had his first training camp this year.

JR missed almost all of it.
Dunleavy, Birdman, Mo, and McCrae where all gone by Feb.
JR missed 40 games, Love missed 15+

New guys(Korver, Derrick Williams, Deron Williams, Bogut, Sanders) were added and had to be integrated while others were out injured. Then those injured guys had to be integrated back in with new guys.

A lot of those changes happened right before March, when we had 17 games in 31 days and maybe one practice.

Griffins number one goal this offseason should be to have the whole roster locked in(whether it's everyone back or some changes) by training camp. No more January shuffle.
 
Just not true.

The contested shot % went way up, the paint points went way down, the paint fg% went way down. We started getting turnovers, we picked up the ball handler sooner. By every metric and every eye test, the Cavaliers had a great second half from a defensive standpoint.

Yeah he rode LeBron, but he also found a line-up that worked and stuck with it despite changing a lot of his normal substitution patterns.

The team went into half-time down like 26. Adjustments were made, changes were made, and we won the game.

Yes, LeBron lead the charge. His greatness is irreplaceable. It's impossibly to even quantify his value.

But if Lue got a lot of blame for the first half, he also gets a lot of credit for the second half.

Furthermore, when the game got tight in the fourth and we needed good plays coming out of timeouts, he delivered us great looks time and time again. He is one of the best in the league at drawing up plays coming out of timeouts, and that is a fact that is backed up by statistics. Yet i never see you even giving him credit for that kind of stuff. He literally is probably a top 3-5 coach at drawing up stuff out of a timeout. Right up there with Pops/Carlisle statistically on ATO's.

He did a good job riding the hot line-up, and he also did a good job taking well-placed timeouts in the 4th quarter, to kind of "steal" LeBron and the rest of the guys a couple of minutes rest. And he was able to keep them fresh the entire way by doing things that way.

Criticism is fair where it is deserved, but he also deserves some credit. You just are so biased towards the narrative you've created for Lue that you refuse to even consider that the truth is often somewhere in the middle.

Nice writeup here, and judging by the likes of solid guys, JMoney is trolling with his posting and disagreeing.
 
Maybe he's flipped the switch on coaching? Was he just playing dumb, very dumb, to fool the opposition?

He impressed me tonight with two things:

1. His inbound plays are fantastic.
2. He wasn't afraid to bench two of his All-Stars who were playing poorly in favor of second-unit guys who were playing well (and more importantly playing defense) and keeping them out.

Bravo, Lue.
 
Guy had his first training camp this year.

JR missed almost all of it.
Dunleavy, Birdman, Mo, and McCrae where all gone by Feb.
JR missed 40 games, Love missed 15+

New guys(Korver, Derrick Williams, Deron Williams, Bogut, Sanders) were added and had to be integrated while others were out injured. Then those injured guys had to be integrated back in with new guys.

A lot of those changes happened right before March, when we had 17 games in 31 days and maybe one practice.

Griffins number one goal this offseason should be to have the whole roster locked in(whether it's everyone back or some changes) by training camp. No more January shuffle.


And number 1B should be to add a young defensive minded guard/wing, and a defensive minded big.
 
Yeah he rode LeBron, but he also found a line-up that worked and stuck with it despite changing a lot of his normal substitution patterns.
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Absolutely.

I checked the ATO numbers earlier in the season and I think Lue was very very high on the list. Blatt was always pretty good, a top 10-12 guy, but Lue is absolutely elite in this area. He constantly produces great shots. He's had a handful already in the playoffs that were Popovich-esque. The Korver lay-up the other day, the LeBron lay-up today, were two absolutely stunning basketball plays.

I wish I had Synergy active right now. I'd go get and post the numbers. I'm sure they're stellar. The playoff ones might be even better.
Per Synergy, during both the regular season and playoffs, the Cavs average 1.01 points per possession on after time-out plays, good for second in the NBA.
 

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