Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

thedarkness2332 said:

One advantage for Kizer is his ability to be a true running threat. He's fast enough and large enough to make plays with his legs that the other two cannot.

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Yep. He's pretty mobile in the pocket too. He's a pretty fluid runner for his size. He had over 1,000 yards rushing the last two years at ND.

Kbiz8288 said:

Yep. He's pretty mobile in the pocket too. He's a pretty fluid runner for his size. He had over 1,000 yards rushing the last two years at ND.

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I've got no doubt Kizer is the best runner by far, but Osweiler is a little underrated in this department. I'm sure most Browns fans have long forgotten that he was originally committed to play forward at Gonzaga. Osweiler is an athlete who can get yards on the ground, if his coach wants that out of him. He has been through Shanahan and the West Coast followed by O'Brien, which encouraged a more pro style passing attack out of the pocket.

Randolphkeys said:

I've got no doubt Kizer is the best runner by far, but Osweiler is a little underrated in this department. I'm sure most Browns fans have long forgotten that he was originally committed to play forward at Gonzaga. Osweiler is an athlete who can get yards on the ground, if his coach wants that out of him. He has been through Shanahan and the West Coast followed by O'Brien, which encouraged a more pro style passing attack out of the pocket.

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I know Osweiler can move a little, but I wouldn't call him a true running quarterback. You aren't going to mistake him as being dangerous in the open field.

Hue used to call some QB runs for Dalton, so I wouldn't doubt he'd call a few for Brock. Osweiler certainly is a superior runner to the Red Rifle.

Kizer is on a different level, however. Not that it's a good thing, but Hue would definitely run Kizer inside the 10. Big, strong, and elusive. At times, he resembles a power back the way he finishes runs. Kind of like how Cam would look inside the 10 yard line in 2015.

Id like to point out that Brocks arm is largely mediocre and hes plays like a dude who is half his size. Consistantly gets the ball batted down at the line. No idea how a guy that tall gets balls batted down.

Brock should be stapled to the bench.

thedarkness2332 said:

I know Osweiler can move a little, but I wouldn't call him a true running quarterback. You aren't going to mistake him as being dangerous in the open field.

Hue used to call some QB runs for Dalton, so I wouldn't doubt he'd call a few for Brock. Osweiler certainly is a superior runner to the Red Rifle.

Kizer is on a different level, however. Not that it's a good thing, but Hue would definitely run Kizer inside the 10. Big, strong, and elusive. At times, he resembles a power back the way he finishes runs. Kind of like how Cam would look inside the 10 yard line in 2015.

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Looking at the stats between the guys, Osweiler in drills is likely just as fast as Kizer, but is a throw first kind of person. When Osweiler ran last season it actually was fairly effective so it will be interesting to see. Both Kizer and Osweiler barely fumble the ball as well so we will see, but Osweiler's actual athleticism is under rated by a fair amount.

I've always liked Kessler. I think he may have seen and learned enough last season, and done enough work in the off season, to be a legit starter for us.

Regarding the concussion issue, I think it may be overblown. Realize Kessler has been tracked under the new protocol which is extremely strict. By comparison in years past many concussions went under the radar and quarterbacks played through them which simply hasn't happened with Kessler.

Let's face it, last season was a shooting gallery for opposing DL and our QBs were the targets.

If Hugh is true to his word about taking steps to reduce the QB's role in the offense with more emphasis on running and defense, Kessler could find success and safety by managing the offense and getting rid of the ball before taking too many hits, plus our improved OL could facilitate him taking fewer hits.

So I like Kessler for holding down the starter role until Kizer shows he is ready, however long that takes.

If and when Kizer is ready I'm interested in seeing if he can ever become a FQB. He has the tools and the pedigree, so I certainly think he could become the guy long term.

As far as Osweiler is concerned, I've only watched him is dribs and drabs, a few plays here and a series there. I'm not qualified to make an objective assessment of him. I'll wait and see how his situation unfolds.

Amherstcavsfan said:

Id like to point out that Brocks arm is largely mediocre and hes plays like a dude who is half his size. Consistantly gets the ball batted down at the line. No idea how a guy that tall gets balls batted down.

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Admittedly I don't know Brock that much. But this is what I remember from watching him in both Denver and Hpouston. I assume it has something to do with his release point, which seems pretty low for a guy his height.


Kizer's seems more "normal" to me:



But I'll let guys like Boobie or Keys expound more on this...

SuperSurge said:

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Someone needs to teach Kizer how to throw with the laces. I believe Hue is the type of QB whisperer that can provide that sort of guidance to this young man.

Hurl Bruce said:

Someone needs to teach Kizer how to throw with the laces. I believe Hue is the type of QB whisperer that can provide that sort of guidance to this young man.

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Throwing without the laces is a skill a lit of quarterbacks learn for the quick screen game.

Our history of small handed quarterbacks wouldnt allow this.

interesting read here
http://twoqbs.com/qb-profiles/finding-the-fit-deshone-kizer-cleveland-browns/

http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/b...rback-others-got-to-take-it-from-him-1.766751

Main takeaways:

-Jackson will name a tentative No. 1 mid June, after the 10 OTA practices.

-Kessler has "worked his tail off" this offseason, strengthening his throwing arm and working on his mechanics. He will start OTA's getting first team reps. The other guys "have to take the job from him."

-Osweiler is not penciled in as the #2 guy by any stretch.

-Jackson won't stop Kizer from starting right away if he proves he's the best.

I noticed that quote from Jackson about Peppers:

“Oh, man, he is a football player. I like Jabrill,” Jackson said. “What you saw is why we put him on the team. He is an energy bunny. He likes playing the game. He likes to be around the football. He likes to be in the mix of it all. Those are the kind of guys that we put on this team, and I am excited about that.”

When the Browns made some surprising cuts last fall, there was one consistent thread. Lots of guys who don't "get into the mix" in a physical game. Prioritizing strong safety over other defensive back holes sets a tone.

Kbiz8288 said:

-Osweiler is not penciled in as the #2 guy by any stretch.

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Personally, this is why I don't even like the idea of keeping Osweiler around--the 4-man open competition. I don't want him taking ANY reps from Kessler, Kizer, and Hogan. Not to mention, I don't want him using up a single drop of Hue's time and attention.

Hue has limited resources, and I'd much prefer he spends every last bit of it working with Cody and DeShone.

thedarkness2332 said:

Personally, this is why I don't even like the idea of keeping Osweiler around--the 4-man open competition. I don't want him taking ANY reps from Kessler, Kizer, and Hogan. Not to mention, I don't want him using up a single drop of Hue's time and attention.

Hue has limited resources, and I'd much prefer he spends every last bit of it working with Cody and DeShone.

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I personally don't care about Kevin Hogan. JAG at it's best.