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CHIMOCHIS said:
because harden is a ringless player who plays for the love of money and regular season wins

The king plays for rings
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Oh, so you can't commit to a team/city with a long term deal AND win rings.

Got it. Thanks for enlightening me.
 
Cavs fans will sleep easy at blaming the JR and TT deals. When really that has minimal impact on why our flexibility or lack of it is the way it is.

We went all in on a "Big 3"


We need those guys to be that and if they were than we're not worried about the Warriors right now...

Kyrie needs to be complete top 10 player. Its time for Love to stop being "pretty good" and be the GREAT player we thought we were getting. He should be dominating the Warriors.

Great players dominance opens up things for everyone.
 
Gus Zing said:
Cavs fans will sleep easy at blaming the JR and TT deals. When really that has minimal impact on why our flexibility or lack of it is the way it is.

We went all in on a "Big 3"


We need those guys to be that and if they were than we're not worried about the Warriors right now...

Kyrie needs to be complete top 10 player. Its time for Love to stop being "pretty good" and be the GREAT player we thought we were getting. He should be dominating the Warriors.

Great players dominance opens up things for everyone.
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Well said. Way too much ink spilled over TT and JR. Let's say each of them got three million less per year than they did...does that really even change the Cavs flexibility that much? Or are people advocating that the Cavs should have let those guys go even though they had no means of replacing them?

I also totally agree about Kyrie and Love. I'm not going to blame them for losing to the Warriors this year, because they were hardly the reason for those losses, but they are the ones who, along with LeBron, are eating up a majority of the cap space. The Cavs have three max contracts, but only one of them is even consistently an All-NBA player. Kyrie is objectively not a top ten overall player right now, and he absolutely needs to become one to try and narrow the talent gap with the Warriors. Love is probably not even a consensus top 25 player anymore. The team the Cavs needs to beat has two consensus top five players, and two other top 20 players.

In the end though, I don't really think anyone is to blame: not Gilbert, not Griff, not LeBron...nor any of the players. The Cavs built a team good enough to win multiple championships in the modern era. And then the Warriors broke the league...
 
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ACisKING said:
Well said. Way too much ink spilled over TT and JR. Let's say each of them got three million less per year than they did...does that really even change the Cavs flexibility that much? Or are people advocating that the Cavs should have let those guys go even though they had no means of replacing them?

I also totally agree about Kyrie and Love. I'm not going to blame them for losing to the Warriors this year, because they were hardly the reason for those losses, but they are the ones who, along with LeBron, are eating up a majority of the cap space. The Cavs have three max contracts, but only one of them is even consistently an All-NBA player. Kyrie is objectively not a top ten overall player right now, and he absolutely needs to become one to try and narrow the talent gap with the Warriors. Love is probably not even a consensus top 25 player anymore. The team the Cavs needs to beat has two consensus top five players, and two other top 20 players.

In the end though, I don't really think anyone is to blame: not Gilbert, not Griff, not LeBron...nor any of the players. The Cavs built a team good enough to win multiple championships in the modern era. And then the Warriors broke the league...
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Warriors broke the league no doubt.

However, I still think a more savvy front office and the Cavs would have been the ones to break the league first.

Better drafting (outside of Kyrie) before LeBron came back.

Or

Clear as day Kevin Love is leaving Minnesota. Kevin knows it, T-Wolves know it. Kevin, LeBron, Cavs needed to be on the same page of letting this great thing happen, but not break ourselves in doing it. Make Minnesota sweat.

Kevin would be a wasteland player right now if he went to LA (unless the Cavs traded for him) like many were assuming. Probably be in the exact role Carmelo Anthony finds himself in.

Find a way to get Kevin Love while still keeping us flexible going forward. Better yet....make them sweat and maybe we're the ones getting a "Jimmy Butler or a Paul George like deal"

Warriors broke the league. They did so by just being a flat out better run organization that got the benefit of a great player desperate for a ring.

I still contend the Cavs could have done it first.

Now our best bet is stars playing to the max of their potential. They can do it. I believe in their talent. They just have to play up to it and that'll make things very interesting next year.
 
ACisKING said:
Well said. Way too much ink spilled over TT and JR. Let's say each of them got three million less per year than they did...does that really even change the Cavs flexibility that much? Or are people advocating that the Cavs should have let those guys go even though they had no means of replacing them?

I also totally agree about Kyrie and Love. I'm not going to blame them for losing to the Warriors this year, because they were hardly the reason for those losses, but they are the ones who, along with LeBron, are eating up a majority of the cap space. The Cavs have three max contracts, but only one of them is even consistently an All-NBA player. Kyrie is objectively not a top ten overall player right now, and he absolutely needs to become one to try and narrow the talent gap with the Warriors. Love is probably not even a consensus top 25 player anymore. The team the Cavs needs to beat has two consensus top five players, and two other top 20 players.

In the end though, I don't really think anyone is to blame: not Gilbert, not Griff, not LeBron...nor any of the players. The Cavs built a team good enough to win multiple championships in the modern era. And then the Warriors broke the league...
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1. Yes getting those guys on cheaper contracts absolutely improves our flexibility. If not under cap rules then in the trade market because right now we can't move them for better pieces because of their salary at that many years. Infact even giving them a year less at the same salary would have made a difference to their value as trade chips (shump included)

2 Kyrie and Love I don't see improving that much. Their development curve seems to have plateaued. For me the biggest myth in all of sports is that young players improve. I'm almost sure if a study were conducted we would find that the typical player is on average more likely to stagnate or decline after an early peak. Not to mention their defensive abilities will always be constrained by HUGE physical-ish limitations. How do our chances against the Warriors look when the two guys we need on the floor at all times need to be hidden on defense.

3. True KD broke the league but we still could have played our cards better because some of our moves were questionable even at the time they were made. This isn't hindsight talking. Let's not even talk about Griff not bringing a guy to guard KD for a whole year
 
K1rieIrving>AllOtherPG's said:
all it takes is one of their big 4 going down and the other top 4 teams have a shot
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Without getting into the "they didn't need Durant! look how well they did in the stretch without him!" can of worms, they would probably be just fine if they lost Klay or nutpuncher.
 
If Lebron is pissed that the Cavs didn't sign Jamal Crawford, fuck Lebron.
 
LeBron shouldn't be happy... Warriors have arguably gotten better, and Cavs have not improved.

With that said, he probably has more to be mad about at the Indiana Pacers than the Cavs.

Also with that said, as AC and Gus pointed out, stop blaming the TT and JR deals. If we had neither player on the team, we'd still be over the cap. The only way to blame those deals would be if it means we're unwilling to continue to increase our payroll, which does not seem to be the case.
 
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