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FrontPageNews said:
We’re the hinkie era 76ers. Great at accumulating picks but terrible at using them.
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Embiid = Garrett
Fultz = Peppers
Saric = Njoku
Simmons = Coleman

I don't think it's a bad comparison lol

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ajz20 said:
Accumulating draft picks is fine. But the person at the top of the organization should never ever have been given Control of a 53. Keys since we are both in the sane field, here is my analogy. You don’t make a manager at Target a HS principal with no experience dealing with kids and expect good results.
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There were warning signs during that first draft. I see the logic behind getting so many assets for Wentz, but this two year run of losing is going to be the result when at the same time the team is avoiding signing veterans in the short term. The Browns reached on Coleman, Kessler, Kindred, Devalve, and Louis. Then they make moves like cutting veterans like Haden who still have tread left on the tires. It's not easy to turn around a losing culture, and doing it without many vets who have ever won at this level makes it a very long process. I don't think Browns fans realize the time frame this front office created burned two seasons in order to reap the benefits of all those deferred assets.
 
Randolphkeys said:
I don't think Browns fans realize the time frame this front office created burned two seasons in order to reap the benefits of all those deferred assets.
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I don’t think it’s even important what the Browns fans think as long as the front office themselves are aware of it and are doing it intentionally.
 
Randolphkeys said:
There were warning signs during that first draft. I see the logic behind getting so many assets for Wentz, but this two year run of losing is going to be the result when at the same time the team is avoiding signing veterans in the short term. The Browns reached on Coleman, Kessler, Kindred, Devalve, and Louis. Then they make moves like cutting veterans like Haden who still have tread left on the tires. It's not easy to turn around a losing culture, and doing it without many vets who have ever won at this level makes it a very long process. I don't think Browns fans realize the time frame this front office created burned two seasons in order to reap the benefits of all those deferred assets.
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Bottom line they turned a bad team into an expansion team. They still have not found thier qb. These games are the same experience from 1999 no different. Team is more talented than 99 but not by as much as the Sashi fans think. Sashi is in over his head and it will be over for him by the new year. Good riddance!
 
shoes22 said:
I don’t think it’s even important what the Browns fans think as long as the front office themselves are aware of it and are doing it intentionally.
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They intentionally put one of the worst rosters in professional sports on the field two years in a row and passed on good players in the draft? You can only put so much lipstick on a pig.
 
ajz20 said:
They intentionally put one of the worst rosters in professional sports on the field two years in a row and passed on good players in the draft? You can only put so much lipstick on a pig.
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The cupboard isn't bare, the cupboard is filled with first and second year players while Farmer's roster had a lot of guys in their early 30s. To appreciate why this is a team that lost so much but is in a better place than it was under Farmer relies on fully understanding just how fucked they were in 2015.
 
Randolphkeys said:
There were warning signs during that first draft. I see the logic behind getting so many assets for Wentz, but this two year run of losing is going to be the result when at the same time the team is avoiding signing veterans in the short term. The Browns reached on Coleman, Kessler, Kindred, Devalve, and Louis. Then they make moves like cutting veterans like Haden who still have tread left on the tires. It's not easy to turn around a losing culture, and doing it without many vets who have ever won at this level makes it a very long process. I don't think Browns fans realize the time frame this front office created burned two seasons in order to reap the benefits of all those deferred assets.
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Probably the reason why Hue gets a 3rd season. Front Office hasn't made his job any easier. The lack of talent in the QB room isn't on Hue....
 
Randolphkeys said:
The cupboard isn't bare, the cupboard is filled with first and second year players while Farmer's roster had a lot of guys in their early 30s. To appreciate why this is a team that lost so much but is in a better place than it was under Farmer relies on fully understanding just how fucked they were in 2015.
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Most of the talented players are actually from the old front office. Sans Garrett and Nojoku. Without kirksey, Shelton Bitonio, Duke Johnson,Crow and Thomas this would be one of the worst rosters in the last several decades. They really have not added that much young talent.

They took a very bad team and turned into a level barley above expansion status.

They have accumulated draft picks, which is great. It will give the next front office more to play with!
 
EdMonix11 said:
Probably the reason why Hue gets a 3rd season. Front Office hasn't made his job any easier. The lack of talent in the QB room isn't on Hue....
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I have heard Hue is a dead duck baring a drastic change..... Haslem has has it with the whole crew.

Did he get a fair chance? No.
But he has not exactly done a great job either.
 
ajz20 said:
I have heard Hue is a dead duck baring a drastic change..... Haslem has has it with the whole crew.
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I wouldn't blame Haslam for that either. This is worse than anyone expected.

If I had it my way, the Browns hire Peyton Manning and hire a real GM like John Dorsey this offseason and give everybody another year. Let Manning and the GM figure out who stays and who goes.

The Browns sold this as a long term rebuild so the front office probably deserves another season.... even if they've made some head scratching decisions. This roster is so terrible that I'm not sure you can make a determination on Hue's ability to coach.

I do dislike Haslam has his grubby paws on everything.....
 
EdMonix11 said:
This roster is so terrible that I'm not sure you can make a determination on Hue's ability to coach.
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You absolutely can judge Hue based on his QB and player development skills, his game management, timeout management, playcalling, etc. You can be good at those, or at the very least show positive development in those aspects regardless of the roster. And Hue has ranged from below average to dreadful in all of those areas.

It’s not about straight wins and losses. Fuck this “Hue wasn’t given a fair chance” nonsense.
 
EdMonix11 said:
This roster is so terrible that I'm not sure you can make a determination on Hue's ability to coach.
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A lot of what the HC does is not directly visible, so we can't know if he's doing dumb things behind the scenes. Fairest to grade him on what we actually can see.

But in pretty much every single game, Hue has made some purely HC decisions that were just...wrong. Today it was refusing the 15 year penalty. If he's making moves that are that boneheaded in public, what the hell is he doing behind the scenes?

He's no longer a rookie head coach. How can players have faith in a coach who openly makes decisions that stupid?
 
ajz20 said:
Most of the talented players are actually from the old front office. Sans Garrett and Nojoku. Without kirksey, Shelton Bitonio, Duke Johnson,Crow and Thomas this would be one of the worst rosters in the last several decades. They really have not added that much young talent.

They took a very bad team and turned into a level barley above expansion status.

They have accumulated draft picks, which is great. It will give the next front office more to play with!
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We won't agree on Farmer being any good as a talent evaluator or team builder, his misses were far bigger than his few finds. We will agree that it takes a while for a draft class to show if they really love being a pro football player. There were more talented players but what players like Kirksey and Crowell had that others didn't is they want to play and want to be better.
 
If we were completely devoid of talent, I could see him being given the benefit of the doubt. But, we do have some.
Hell Pet, Patty and Eric won multiple games with less.
 
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