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CommD said:
Flynn cooperating. Soon, we will find out what story he has to tell. Potentially not a good thing for the President or those close to him.
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Reports are out in regards to his hearing...

3 main elements to charges:

1. He lied about the content of his conversations with Ambassador Kislyak. While on the transition team he spoke with Kislyak multiple times. He told Kislyak to not "react or over-react to Obama administration sanctions". That was illegal since Obama was still President. The December 29th call was critical....the call that was leaked to the Washington Post.

2. Additionally, he admitted to the FBI he reached out to multiple countries in regards to UN Sanctions during the transition. The name was left out, but Flynn admits a senior campaign official directed him to reach out to multiple countries in regards to this UN Sanction, including Russia. Flynn admitted t the FBI he followed through with this communication.....name of that senior official who directed Flynn to do this not yet revealed. Again, against the law since Obama was President and it was undermining his authority.

3. The last element was Flynn's work with Turkey. The government contends Flynn mis-represented his work for the Turkish government. Flynn said his work was to encourage better business relationships between Turkey and the US. It didn't go into detail, but the government says that is false. Turkey was calling the shots, and using Flynn in a different capacity.
 
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The Human Q-Tip said:
Still unwilling to acknowledge what you actually posted, eh?

The funny thing about this is that you got your panties in a bunch over a statement thay was pretty damn innocuous. This was it:



Notice that didn't I say anything about him being not guilty of first degree murder, or of second degree murder. I understood that.

However, negligent homicide is when you do something grossly negligent and kill someone withiut intendi g to do so. According to his own version of events, he picked up a gun he claims to have "found" on that crowded pier, fired three rounds at some sea lions, and then tossed the gun into the water, without realizing that one of the bullets had ricocheted and killed Kate Steinle.

That sounds like the very definitiin of negligent homicide, which is why I said I was "not quite sure" how he was found not guilty.

The problem was that you knew nothing of the case and didn't know that he'd admitted firing the bullets that killed her.

And by the way, if this was a black guy who got killed, and the shooter was white, this board would be going apeshit.
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He gave three different stories as to what happened.

1. Shot at a seal.
2. Found a gun.
3. Accidental discharge.

Negligent homicide was not on the table. How can you not be quite sure why he wasn't convicted? It wasn't even a lesser charge the prosecutors sought.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Unless I'm missing something, the substantive sin committed by Flynn was, post-election, asking the Russians not to take any precipitous or retaliatory action against the U.S. until the new Administration was in power.

If there's something more than that, fine. Just trying to get see if my understanding is correct.
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Follow this thread. Seth Abramson will get you caught up on everything. There's 50+ post today on Flynn.

View: https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/936602442996813824
 
MediumBaller said:
He was the national security advisor. Why have ambassadors if we can't talk to them?
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MediumBaller said:
He was the national security advisor. Why have ambassadors if we can't talk to them?
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He promised to reduce sanctions (at Trump's request) before they were even elected. Simultaneously, Russia was compromising our election in Trump's favor.

Not exactly a clean operation.
 
billmac91 said:
Reports are out in regards to his hearing...

3 main elements to charges:

1. He lied about the content of his conversations with Ambassador Kislyak. While on the transition team he spoke with Kislyak multiple times. He told Kislyak to not "react or over-react to Obama administration sanctions". That was illegal since Obama was still President. The December 29th call was critical....the call that was leaked to the Washington Post.

2. Additionally, he directly lied to the FBI about a UN Sanction during the transition. The name was left out, but Flynn now admits a senior campaign official directed him to reach out to multiple countries in regards to this UN Sanction, including Russia. Flynn now admits he followed through with this communication.....name of that senior official who directed Flynn to do this not yet revelaed. Again, against the law since Obama was President and it was undermining his authority.

3. The last element was Flynn's work with Turkey. The government contends Flynn mis-represented his work for the Turkish government. Flynn said his work was to encourage better business relationships between Turkey and the US. It didn't go into detail, but the government says that is false. Turkey was calling the shots, and using Flynn in a different capacity.
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I don't believe those first two communications, as described, are actually illegal. I'm aware of the Logan Act, but believe there is no way it would be found valid or enforceable, particularly in this context.

Taken literally - which is the only way to take it and have it apply to Flynn - any time a private citizen expressses a wish or desire regarding what they'd like to see a foreign government do, that would be a violation. The reality is that happens on more than a daily basis. There are uncountable speeches, lectures, conferences, meetings, pronouncements, etc., in which private America citizens urge foreign countries to act in a certain way. Commentators routinely due that on TV, all the time.

Fuck, we've had private Americans do that consistently whenever hostages have been taken, even against the express wishes of the President.
Former President Carter essentially negotiated a nuke deal with North Korea, amd presented it to Clinton despite being asked not to do so.

Logan Act is toast.
 
Trump and Putin could've hacked voting machines over Moscow mules and Russian strippers for all I care. Hillary was stopped.
 
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