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Since we're on the topic of Kyrie today. I think it really shows how much of a horrible owner Gilbert is, that Koby Altman even has a job. Every single thing Altman(Or Gilbert) got out of Kyrie was a miserable failure and they completely judged wrong.

1) Isiah was a complete bust. Nothing about him was what they were hoping for. His hip, defense, attitude, future as an aging midget. All wrong.

2) They absolutely made the trade thinking the Nets pick would be 1-3.. they judged the Nets wrong. It was the 8th. Huge huge difference.

3) They made further trades for "up and coming young players" who turned out to be just plain bad. Clarkson, Hood, Nance have not improved at all and are career bench/fringe starters. Currently they are leading the Cavs to possibly the worst record in franchise history and maybe even league history. I'm sure alot of people are still high on guys like Nance but really none of these guys have shown they are going to be any better than what they are now. I'm also often a believer that you are what you are early in your career.

I liked alot of these trades at the time too but it's not my job that I get paid millions for. LeBron was right and Altman/Gilbert were way wrong. Plenty of GMs would have atleast got something right out of the situation. Imo Altman should have been fired even before the draft.
 
M4sixstring said:
Since we're on the topic of Kyrie today. I think it really shows how much of a horrible owner Gilbert is, that Koby Altman even has a job. Every single thing Altman(Or Gilbert) got out of Kyrie was a miserable failure and they completely judged wrong.

1) Isiah was a complete bust. Nothing about him was what they were hoping for. His hip, defense, attitude, future as an aging midget. All wrong.

2) They absolutely made the trade thinking the Nets pick would be 1-3.. they judged the Nets wrong. It was the 8th. Huge huge difference.

3) They made further trades for "up and coming young players" who turned out to be just plain bad. Clarkson, Hood, Nance have not improved at all and are career bench/fringe starters. Currently they are leading the Cavs to possibly the worst record in franchise history and maybe even league history. I'm sure alot of people are still high on guys like Nance but really none of these guys have shown they are going to be any better than what they are now. I'm also often a believer that you are what you are early in your career.

I liked alot of these trades at the time too but it's not my job that I get paid millions for. LeBron was right and Altman/Gilbert were way wrong. Plenty of GMs would have atleast got something right out of the situation. Imo Altman should have been fired even before the draft.
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I agree with that 100% Just amazing we gave away a top 10-15 player and got back colin Sexton and some role players. Probably one of the worst trades in league history considering Kyrie had 2 yrs left on his deal.

I initially liked getting IT, but obviously he was damaged goods and had nothing left. Only gilbert could go from a championship team to one of the worst in in 15 months and not have much talent for the future to get excited about.
 
buzzdog said:
WTF are you talking about? Winning that championship changed my whole outlook. I'm at peace with where the Cavs are at, only because a few short years ago we were at the top of the mountain and nothing can take that away, ever. I'm content to watch the current suckitude and just hope the franchise gets their heads out of their asses long enough to try to develop the young players we have. They'll figure a few things out between now and whenever KLove is back to being as healthy and productive as he can be. Possibly by then we'll have something that at least remotely resembles watchable basketball between Love, Sexton and Cedi. This is brief period of being dumpster fire bad is nothing compared to some of the bad droughts in Cleveland sports history. The only question is how long before it ever turns back into a quality team, if ever.

But even if we never sniff another title they'll never erase 2016.
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Good points, and also, for those dumping on Gilbert, wanting him to sell, etc...

Are we 100% sure that the next owner would be as loyal to the region that, dare I say it...they wouldn't turn tail to Seattle if things continued to be bad?
 
For all intents and purposes, Altman is in charge of our rebuild or retool or whatever you want to call it. That started with the Irving trade demand and trade and his first draft which are intertwined (Sexton). It has only been about a year when this has taken place so it is just too early to make any judgement on him.

The thing I am looking for is how well he drafts. So far it looks good but a tiny sample size so again, it is too early to say.

The other thing to look for is related to talent evaluation via any trades he does or will do. I won't go through his trades so far but have no problem with any of them given the context in which they were done.

I'd like to see him get more draft picks to work with, even 2nd rounders. If their scouting is good enough there can be gold found in them and with the G league looking more like a mini minor leagues for the NBA could be useful. Even if it is not, I'd like the Cavs to treat it like one.

It will take time before Altman has a somewhat normal situation to operate from. Right now, he is still held up by having marginal vets from the contending years that he is stuck with ie Lebron's role players. While everyone wants everything done now, it might be best to wait for the trade deadline as the best hope for moving one or more of them.
 
rcj47 said:
For all intents and purposes, Altman is in charge of our rebuild or retool or whatever you want to call it. That started with the Irving trade demand and trade and his first draft which are intertwined (Sexton). It has only been about a year when this has taken place so it is just too early to make any judgement on him.

The thing I am looking for is how well he drafts. So far it looks good but a tiny sample size so again, it is too early to say.

The other thing to look for is related to talent evaluation via any trades he does or will do. I won't go through his trades so far but have no problem with any of them given the context in which they were done.

I'd like to see him get more draft picks to work with, even 2nd rounders. If their scouting is good enough there can be gold found in them and with the G league looking more like a mini minor leagues for the NBA could be useful. Even if it is not, I'd like the Cavs to treat it like one.

It will take time before Altman has a somewhat normal situation to operate from. Right now, he is still held up by having marginal vets from the contending years that he is stuck with ie Lebron's role players. While everyone wants everything done now, it might be best to wait for the trade deadline as the best hope for moving one or more of them.
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I can make a judgement because Dan is looking over his shoulder more than you know.
Thats what will make me wary of the Cavs draft offseason and FA moves.
How much influence is Dan going to interject over the scouts ?
 
NorthCoastBias said:
Chauncey Billups would have traded Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony. Yeah, he's a real smart man....
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IMO it just sounds like Chauncey and especially Paul still bitter towards the cavs lol. With that said, a person that I think would be good in a coaching or GM role is Reggie miller.
 
benchplayer said:
IMO it just sounds like Chauncey and especially Paul still bitter towards the cavs lol. With that said, a person that I think would be good in a coaching or GM role is Reggie miller.
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Then Gilbert was smart to not seal deal on billups. Melo ???
 
Alpoe said:
I agree with that 100% Just amazing we gave away a top 10-15 player and got back colin Sexton and some role players. Probably one of the worst trades in league history considering Kyrie had 2 yrs left on his deal.

I initially liked getting IT, but obviously he was damaged goods and had nothing left. Only gilbert could go from a championship team to one of the worst in in 15 months and not have much talent for the future to get excited about.
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since Kyrie demanded a trade at a bad time of the year. And he threatened having knee surgery if not traded you think we would have gotten more . Once a all star play threatens trade me or I will have surgery you kind of lose leverage
 
It must suck being the GM of a tanking team and realizing If you don’t hit on the next 2-3 drafts you’re probably fired
 
Kizzle said:
It must suck being the GM of a tanking team and realizing If you don’t hit on the next 2-3 drafts you’re probably fired
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If I'm Koby, I'm looking at the other side of that coin. "If I want to earn my dollar and validate my skill set as a talent evaluator and a team builder, I'm going to hit on all my next picks and I'm going to be confident doing so."

I think any time you're at the helm of a team who, inevitably, will be receiving a number of high picks in the coming years, that's an exciting prospect. Koby has the opportunity Chris Grant had - build the team post-LeBron from a relatively clean slate and mold it into what he believes to be a team with winning potential.

Only this time, he already has a couple of complimentary pieces in place to build around/with.
 
There's a rumor that the Cavs will be chasing Middleton in FA and I'm just trying to understand why.

A team of Sexton-Middleton-2019 Draft pick-Love-Nance is a fringe playoff team in the East and a non-title contending playoff team in 2020 with Love being older and more than likely needing to be replaced.

What's the goal here? Middleton is great, but I'm not sure year 2 of a rebuild is when you jump on a guy like that.

I won't complain if he's here, since Middleton has been a great second option his whole career and would be interesting pair with Zion if that's how things shake out. Maybe they structure his deal to pay him the max until the young guys need extensions.
 
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