Koby Altman

[Cavatt]

Winning the championship didn't change a thing. Everyone got what they said they wanted, and they are just as unhappy. Nothing is going to make Lebron or Kyrie walk through that door. If The cavs gets a top 3 pick this year, we are going to be really happy. This is a great year to sit it out.

Cleveland gotta Cleveland I get it. It doesn't matter we are on another path now and no one can predict where it goes.

It's hard to take a step back after you did it and were on top, but adopt a team like the Raptors or Grizzlies to root for while the team sucks and just enjoy life until the Cavs are competitive in 20 years.

 

[avs2000]

You are most likely right. I just found it odd that he is back on the Charge. Pointer seem to get his 3 point shot and handles to a decent point in Europe. I thought he could been given his chance at the NBA once we have roster spots open. How he is playing in Canton though might change the organizations mind when that time comes.

I might watch some Charge games to see how him and Preston are actually playing vs relying on box scores. Pointer might look real good on defense and it could never show up on box scores.

I still think Bonzie colson is best prospect down at canton

 

[inliner311]

Winning the championship didn't change a thing. Everyone got what they said they wanted, and they are just as unhappy. Nothing is going to make Lebron or Kyrie walk through that door. If The cavs gets a top 3 pick this year, we are going to be really happy. This is a great year to sit it out.

Cleveland gotta Cleveland I get it. It doesn't matter we are on another path now and no one can predict where it goes.

It's hard to take a step back after you did it and were on top, but adopt a team like the Raptors or Grizzlies to root for while the team sucks and just enjoy life until the Cavs are competitive in 20 years.

I enjoy watching Sexton and the young guys develop. It's the reason I love to watch summer league too. Wednesday might be the only time I don't watch the game this season. I hate watching LeBron play outside of a Cavs uniform and that will suck the enjoyment of the game for me. I'll watch some Sexton highlights Thursday morning and back to watch the Cavs every other game of the season.

 

[inliner311]

I still think Bonzie colson is best prospect down at canton

You might be right. It's hard to figure out how guys will function in the NBA on their G-league play. They are all going to just be role players and it's hard to simulate those roles. At least with summer league there is some sort of pecking order and those guys have to try to be more role players while the high draft picks or 2nd year NBA players are the stars.

 

[Cavatt]

I still think Bonzie colson is best prospect down at canton

We should call him up to play backup 4 too. He might be better than Dekker right now.

 

[stowfan]

Because of his business interests Lebron was going to la no matter what Irving did. Sure Irving could read the tea leaves and was not going to be left holding the bag. Irving told Cavs either trade him or he would have surgery. You can say the trade sucked but Cavs had little choice

I agree 100%, LBJ was headed to LA all along. The non basketball money is just to great for an aging player to turn down. My opinion, and only my opinion is, Gilbert's support of Trump is a big problem with LBJ.

 

[Ozone]

I enjoy watching Sexton and the young guys develop. It's the reason I love to watch summer league too. Wednesday might be the only time I don't watch the game this season. I hate watching LeBron play outside of a Cavs uniform and that will suck the enjoyment of the game for me. I'll watch some Sexton highlights Thursday morning and back to watch the Cavs every other game of the season.

Eh I'll be watching to see what players the Cavs can try to get from LA for Korver after dec 15th. beasley expring & Hart & a 2nd seems about right or Beasley,Svi and their first.

 

[inliner311]

I agree 100%, LBJ was headed to LA all along. The non basketball money is just to great for an aging player to turn down. My opinion, and only my opinion is, Gilbert's support of Trump is a big problem with LBJ.

I personally think LeBron thought the Hollywood stuff would be a bigger part of his life. It probably seem like a ton of stuff to do with meetings and trying to get funding when he was there in the off-season and with west coast games. Living there full time it probably doesn't feel like much of a commitment beyond his other normal stuff.

The on going trend you heard from Hollywood people is everyone wants to work with you until you actually have the time to work with them then somehow they are going another direction. I bet LeBron is hearing alot of that now.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

How does a sizeable group of people exist who claim that LeBron was gone after the title when his follow-up actions directly contradicted that notion?

He signed a multi-year deal (2+1) for the the first time since coming back; this alone demonstrates two irrefutable things to me: 1) He was confident enough in the Cavs' FO to get the job done when it came to putting a championship-caliber team around him 2) He saw his dream of building a dynastic team in Cleveland a reality.

LeBron was still in title-scavenging mode after the title, which was the culmination of his career. On top of the contract, his emotions displayed at the parade and presence at the Indians' games during their postseason run...he was on top of the world as Mr. Cleveland.

I don't even think the shellacking in the '17 Finals was that big a deflator; he famously told Kyrie "we'll be back." No reason to think that a few moves and hard work wouldn't get them closer the following year.

But losing Kyrie was definitely the end (Durant signing in Golden State was the beginning of the end.) The departure of a co-star with whom he dismantled a 73-win team was what turned his eye to L.A. I believe before all of that took place that he figured he'd wind up there at some point, but that was for the future. In the then-and-now, he liked what he had going in Cleveland.

Screw Griffin. Him dying on that hill is simply veneer for the crummy job he did as GM following the title win.

 

[inliner311]

How does a sizeable group of people exist who claim that LeBron was gone after the title when his follow-up actions directly contradicted that notion?

He signed a multi-year deal (2+1) for the the first time since coming back; this alone demonstrates two irrefutable things to me: 1) He was confident enough in the Cavs' FO to get the job done when it came to putting a championship-caliber team around him 2) He saw his dream of building a dynastic team in Cleveland a reality.

LeBron was still in title-scavenging mode after the title, which was the culmination of his career. On top of the contract, his emotions displayed at the parade and presence at the Indians' games during their postseason run...he was on top of the world as Mr. Cleveland.

I don't even think the shellacking in the '17 Finals was that big a deflator; he famously told Kyrie "we'll be back." No reason to think that a few moves and hard work wouldn't get them closer the following year.

But losing Kyrie was definitely the end (Durant signing in Golden State was the beginning of the end.) The departure of a co-star with whom he dismantled a 73-win team with was what turned his eye to L.A. I believe before all of that took place that he figured he'd wind up there at some point, but that was for the future. In the then-and-now, he liked what he had going in Cleveland.

Screw Griffin. Him dying on that hill is simply veneer for the crummy job he did as GM following the title win.

I think I agree with this. The coffin was made by Griff in 2016-2017. It was purely a terrible job of trying to compete. The lack of an answer for Durant was huge but the lack of a backup PG put that much more pressure on LeBron.

People forget that the last straw for Kyrie seem to be that Griff floated Kyrie into trades to try to reshape the roster. I know Kyrie apparently asked for a trade after 2016 but he didn't come back to ask to be moved until he found out the Cavs had been shopping him.

Griff last year as GM looks worse and worse as we look back on it. If he kept his job into the 2017-2018 season, my guess we wouldn't have Sexton, Nance, Cedi, or Zizic right now. We would be looking at a roster with DeAndre Jordan on a multi-year extension and a bunch of odd vets.

 

[Green Lantern]

I think I agree with this. The coffin was made by Griff in 2016-2017. It was purely a terrible job of trying to compete. The lack of an answer for Durant was huge but the lack of a backup PG put that much more pressure on LeBron.

People forget that the last straw for Kyrie seem to be that Griff floated Kyrie into trades to try to reshape the roster. I know Kyrie apparently asked for a trade after 2016 but he didn't come back to ask to be moved until he found out the Cavs had been shopping him.

Griff last year as GM looks worse and worse as we look back on it. If kept his job into the 2017-2018 season, my guess we wouldn't have Sexton, Nance, Cedi, or Zizic right now. We would be looking at a roster with DeAndre Jordan on a multi-year extension and a bunch of odd vets.

Remember Kyrie thought it was Lebron's camp that was trying to get him traded out of Cleveland.

 

[Bulldog2Buckeye]

Winning the championship didn't change a thing. Everyone got what they said they wanted, and they are just as unhappy. Nothing is going to make Lebron or Kyrie walk through that door. If The cavs gets a top 3 pick this year, we are going to be really happy. This is a great year to sit it out.

Cleveland gotta Cleveland I get it. It doesn't matter we are on another path now and no one can predict where it goes.

It's hard to take a step back after you did it and were on top, but adopt a team like the Raptors or Grizzlies to root for while the team sucks and just enjoy life until the Cavs are competitive in 20 years.

Grizzlies have been my western conference team since the last time we sucked. They’re good, but never good enough to threaten for a finals run if the cavs ever make it again.

 

[inliner311]

Remember Kyrie thought it was Lebron's camp that was trying to get him traded out of Cleveland.

I always thought they wanted Bledsoe here because they knew Gilbert would be willing to overpay him.

 

[Green Lantern]

I always thought they wanted Bledsoe here because they knew Gilbert would be willing to overpay him.

The Suns didn't want to part with their star young player and I think that squashed that deal.

 

[buzzdog]

Winning the championship didn't change a thing. Everyone got what they said they wanted, and they are just as unhappy. Nothing is going to make Lebron or Kyrie walk through that door. If The cavs gets a top 3 pick this year, we are going to be really happy. This is a great year to sit it out.

Cleveland gotta Cleveland I get it. It doesn't matter we are on another path now and no one can predict where it goes.

It's hard to take a step back after you did it and were on top, but adopt a team like the Raptors or Grizzlies to root for while the team sucks and just enjoy life until the Cavs are competitive in 20 years.

WTF are you talking about? Winning that championship changed my whole outlook. I'm at peace with where the Cavs are at, only because a few short years ago we were at the top of the mountain and nothing can take that away, ever. I'm content to watch the current suckitude and just hope the franchise gets their heads out of their asses long enough to try to develop the young players we have. They'll figure a few things out between now and whenever KLove is back to being as healthy and productive as he can be. Possibly by then we'll have something that at least remotely resembles watchable basketball between Love, Sexton and Cedi. This is brief period of being dumpster fire bad is nothing compared to some of the bad droughts in Cleveland sports history. The only question is how long before it ever turns back into a quality team, if ever.

But even if we never sniff another title they'll never erase 2016.