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Potential 2019 Head coaches for the Browns

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Okay and you're not getting any of those guys so what's your point?
The point is obvious

Find the next one

Those guys weren’t always ungettable and they obviously aren’t the only ones in the entire world that can be innovative coaches.
 
The point is obvious

Find the next one

Those guys weren’t always ungettable and they obviously aren’t the only ones in the entire world that can be innovative coaches.

And I'm saying that finding the next one isn't always an option. Sometimes the next one isn't available or there simply isn't a next one there. Just because we want an innovative offensive mind doesn't mean that there's one that's available.

It's just like drafting QB's. You need one and you want one but you are limited to who's available. You can scream from the mountain top about how bad you want one but you will take one from the pool that's available.
 
They haven’t drafted well for a long time now

And/or they haven’t coached well... shitty coaches often have a way of not developing talent, and making drafts a hell of a lot worse than they otherwise would have been.
 
And I'm saying that finding the next one isn't always an option. Sometimes the next one isn't available or there simply isn't a next one there. Just because we want an innovative offensive mind doesn't mean that there's one that's available.

It's just like drafting QB's. You need one and you want one but you are limited to who's available. You can scream from the mountain top about how bad you want one but you will take one from the pool that's available.
Your rationale seems to be “it’s hard so let’s not try at all” which is ridiculous.

We’re saying that there are potential prospects available that fit this mold moreso than a McCarthy would, who is the opposite. So it might actually be an option.

Flip is available. Riley, also likely available for the right price. McDaniels, he actually wants considered—even if it won’t happen based on the Dorsey relationship. Matt Campbell is a rising coach. Pete Carmichael. Matt LaFleur has disappointed in Tennessee (Mariota is not impressive, but he’s a name). Zac Taylor.

These are all people that you could interview and get a plan of their vision for what a Baker Mayfield offense would look like. That’s where you see it. Them drawing up concepts with real, tangible ideas.

Our GM played the game. He has a firm understanding of what Baker has and has not succeeded in this year.

That’s how you conduct this process. Not hiring a stale McCarthy as soon as he’s available without interviewing someone else to gather ideas.
 
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This summarizes the problems with McCarthy’s offense.

It also provides a stark contrast to someone like Josh McDaniels.

Specifically, start around 16:00. It explains McCarthy’s issues well.

 
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Your rationale seems to be “it’s hard so let’s not try at all” which is ridiculous.

We’re saying that there are potential prospects available that fit this mold moreso than a McCarthy would, who is the opposite. So it might actually be an option.

Flip is available. Riley, also likely available for the right price. McDaniels, he actually wants considered—even if it won’t happen based on the Dorsey relationship. Matt Campbell is a rising coach. Pete Carmichael. Matt LaFleur has disappointed in Tennessee (Mariota is not impressive, but he’s a name). Zac Taylor.

These are all people that you could interview and get a plan of their vision for what a Baker Mayfield offense would look like. That’s where you see it. Them drawing up concepts with real, tangible ideas.

Our GM played the game. He has a firm understanding of what Baker has and has not succeeded in this year.

That’s how you conduct this process. Not hiring a stale McCarthy as soon as he’s available without interviewing someone else to gather ideas.

The Browns aren't looking for a coach who's only purpose is to coach Baker Mayfield. I get it that he's important but you shouldn't hire a coach just to coach Baker Mayfield. We need a coach who can coach the whole team. There's no indication at all that Matt Campbell or Lincoln Riley can coach in the NFL. Lincoln Riley has no NFL connections and he's coaching one of the worse defenses in college football. If we were looking for an offensive coordinator he'd be fine but we aren't looking for an OC. We're looking for a Head Coach.

Matt Campbell is a well respected coach who doesn't specialize in any particular area and like Lincoln Riley there's no indication that he is ready ti make the jump to the NFL.

So that's your pool of college coaches. Now let's look at you NFL options. You have two choices. A retread or a coordinator. Let's look at the coordinators. Flip might have the strongest resume but there are some things to consider there. Mainly that he previously coached here under the same ownership and he has more knowledge of what it's like to coach here than he other options so he has an advantage as far as picking a spot that he likes. He doesn't need to come here. He has a Super Bowl and by all accounts is a hot name. Just because we consider this job to be top 3 or whatever doesn't mean that a guy who's already coached here will run at a chance to come back regardless on who the GM or QB is. So he's a good option especially if he brings Schwartz with him as DC.

Who are the other coordinators? Matt LaFleur? He's really regressed in TEN and agin he's not coming here to just be the OC. He's coming here to lead the whole team. Pete Carmichael? I'd love to have him and he does have the experience advantage over the other coordinators. Still find it hard to see him leaving NO though. Zac Taylor? Another young coordinator who'd be taking a huge leap being a Head Coach next year. He's 35. basically you'd be banking on him being the next Sean McVay and I wouldn't do that. Dave Toub? Very experienced and has a good relationship with our current FO. He checks a lot of boxes that Dorsey has been describing to us. Eric B? Another hot coordinator who might have next and has a relationship with our FO.


Now with the retreads we have options who have a winning pedigree and wouldn't have any issues putting together a good staff. Mike McCarthy and John Harbaugh stick out the most but Jim Schwartz, Bruce Arians, and Josh McDaniels are all potential options as well. I'm just saying if you read between the lines with what John Dorsey has been saying this whole time it sounds like he would prefer a retread as opposed to a first time Head Coach who was a coordinator. Everybody is putting emphasis on just coaching Baker and that's cool but we need a Head Coach who is more than just an offensive coordinator. As much as people tout Sean Mcvay he was smart enough and was able to get a high quality DC in Wade Phillips. Other than Flip potentially getting Jim Schwartz to come with him I'm not even sure if any of these coordinator dudes can put together a solid staff. Our defense is just as important as our offense as far as developing the young talent goes. Feels like there's too much focus on just coaching Baker and not looking at the big picture and the whole team.
 
Another team making moves that could also be a coaching vacancy this off season. If CAR moves on from Ron Rivera he'd be a really solid DC hire. That is if he can't bounce back and get another Head Coaching job. Fact is that this is the NFL and even though fans fall in love with the sexy coordinator dudes teams for the most part are old school with hiring. McCarthy, Harbaugh, and Ron Rivera will more than likely be head coaches on new teams in 2019.

View: https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1069609612070989825
 
The Browns aren't looking for a coach who's only purpose is to coach Baker Mayfield. I get it that he's important but you shouldn't hire a coach just to coach Baker Mayfield. We need a coach who can coach the whole team. There's no indication at all that Matt Campbell or Lincoln Riley can coach in the NFL. Lincoln Riley has no NFL connections and he's coaching one of the worse defenses in college football. If we were looking for an offensive coordinator he'd be fine but we aren't looking for an OC. We're looking for a Head Coach.

Just because you believe and want this to be true doesn't mean it's actually true. The background of the coach (offensive minded, defensive minded, etc) the Browns hire is less relevant than that coach having Baker Mayfield's respect.

Baker, for better or worse, is not the kind of guy who is going to quietly sit back and let a coach that he perceives doesn't know what the hell he's doing "lead" him.

He didn't do it with Hue and Todd and he won't do it with the next guy either. Just not his personality to blindly accept whatever his coach is throwing at him.

Baker IS the franchise. Dorsey has to make this next hire with that expectation already set.
 
Firing position coaches during the season is such a bitch move. It doesn’t accomplish anything except makes the HC look like an asshole who’s trying to find others to blame.
 
Just because you believe and want this to be true doesn't mean it's actually true. The background of the coach (offensive minded, defensive minded, etc) the Browns hire is less relevant than that coach having Baker Mayfield's respect.

Baker, for better or worse, is not the kind of guy who is going to quietly sit back and let a coach that he perceives doesn't know what the hell he's doing "lead" him.

He didn't do it with Hue and Todd and he won't do it with the next guy either. Just not his personality to blindly accept whatever his coach is throwing at him.

Baker IS the franchise. Dorsey has to make this next hire with that expectation already set.

I get what you're saying but of all the potential hires who are coordinators and assistant coaches how many of them are you confident in can come in and lead the whole team? Not just lead Baker and have his respect, the whole team?
 
I get what you're saying but of all the potential hires who are coordinators and assistant coaches how many of them are you confident in can come in and lead the whole team? Not just lead Baker and have his respect, the whole team?
I understand this part of your argument. Going offensive is a projection. I’m actually higher on McDaniels than many.

But either way, I don’t think McCarthy is the type of hire you want to make. I can’t see him having the respect of the whole team, considering Randall hated him and the whole Packers team seems to hate him.

I would support John Harbaugh as a hire, for sure. Assuming as an OC, he can pluck a hot/rising QB coach like Zac Taylor to be his OC. Or if he plucks a college OC, maybe someone like Ryan Day.
 
I get what you're saying but of all the potential hires who are coordinators and assistant coaches how many of them are you confident in can come in and lead the whole team? Not just lead Baker and have his respect, the whole team?

I don't know. Why are we advocating for a HC whose players quit on him?
 
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