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Triple-S said:
It sucks having to see Kyrie in Boston and Lebron in LA.

Just feels very sad in hindsight and like a sick joke.
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It is sad, and it didn’t have to happen. Golden State’s insane luck plus the incompetence of our front office added up to disaster

Oh well, it’s all history now....
 
godfather said:
I don't know about that. I think he's very ignorant and frankly, just not very smart.

And has this victim/child mentality where he thinks it's still okay to rebel against any kind of authority.

Thing is, I used to be rebellious like this, and most people were too. When we were still kids, or really young adults. Not as GROWN UPS! Which he is supposed to be.

Most people grow up, realize there's laws, and rules in our society. And if you don't follow them there are consequences.

Consequences LeBron has never experienced like us common people do. Look how he behaves when he's on a team? Like a spoiled brat that thinks he can do as he likes.

Then he thinks others can do the same, or should.

He just speaks as a millionaire athlete that has no freaking clue how the real world operates.

That irritates me more. Not about him then throwing in the race card too.

I don't want to call him racist for it. We do that too often now of days when people sometimes just say stupid shit.

That's how I look at it, LB being ignorant.
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I agree with this
 
Lebron is not dumb or ignorant. He's just kind of arrogant so he pops off. Frankly it's an earned arrogance given his track record. People just seem to ignore that he has brought teams to the Finals eight straight years. And when I say "brought" I mean he didn't just go to the Finals, he was the best player on each team, carried them, and not a single one of those teams would have made the Finals without him. That's an amazing track record of success at the highest level. It's probably the most transformative impact a single player has ever had on team success outside of Michael Jordan. When you consider how competitive and good the modern NBA is it's an unbelievable record. That doesn't happen if you're dumb or ignorant.
 
Apples to oranges. Hes a competitive basketball genius but that doesn't relate to socioeconomic awareness.
 
What's the next Laker move? I reckon get rid of KCP and Ingram. While they are at it. Get rid of Kuzma as well. Just a bunch of me first low IQ players.
 
Problem is watching the Lakers lose without Lebron is going to push the trade value of the “young core” down even further. Lakers can’t afford to just dump them they need to bring in another superstar.
 
cavsfever said:
Problem is watching the Lakers lose without Lebron is going to push the trade value of the “young core” down even further. Lakers can’t afford to just dump them they need to bring in another superstar.
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I don’t have a problem with everyone realizing their young guys aren’t that good
 
I hate the term "young core". The Lakers' young players kinda suck. None of them look like future all stars. The only one I'd like to see them keep is Josh Hart. He's a good fit next to LeBron.
 
Dr. Claw said:
With regard to people not wanting to play in this city or the next:

First and foremost. It's "Bandwagon First". Team has to be winning titles or have incredibly popular players for the bandwagon to start. No one was hopping on the Warriors bandwagon until after their first asterisk. The Miami Heat basically looks like Knicks South, the actual New York teams aren't attracting FAs like that, and the Clippers never really had hangers-on even in their Chris Paul years.
When Golden Piss falls off, we'll see what happens. I'm willing to wager the Spurs, Lakers, and Celtics gain more players back due to this more than they will, in a post-Steph landscape. Hell, even Boston had to basically build their current team with mostly drafting and a trade.

While Cleveland actually had LeBron and Kyrie, the FAs didn't come running after them moreso because of the "yet-unproven" state, and when trades were made, there wasn't room for someone else to hop on in the case of Durant.

Now as for LeBron's first tour of Cleveland, poor front-office management was the issue. LeBron's greatness kept us from tanking that second season, which was needed to get another top talent. Instead we get Luke Jackson, and a bag of dildos and had to pin our hopes on Larry Hughes and others. How I really wished that in that day of simpler basketball the Cavs could have gotten one OTHER guy, sort of like how Kyrie was for us. Well, there was Boozer, but you know...

whole thing is a sice.
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Good points in general, but maybe more to the point on what cities players want, is that LeBron coming back while still in his prime was literally a one-in-a-gazillion exception. I'm hard-pressed to think of a comparable UFA move, of an elite prime player, into a non-destination market from a destination one; Garnett, for instance, was end-of-career coming back to Minnesota after his time on the eastern seaboard.

The ability to retain drafted/traded players is also part of the equation; it's generally accepted that Boston will, for instance, not have a hard time retaining whichever core drafted/traded players they want, although it is difficult to know for sure because Kyrie seems to march to the beat of his own drummer. I am glad that OKC retained George after losing KD, but like Kyrie he's not the highest-of-the-high-tier level like Unibrow/Coward/Curry/Bron/Giannis/etc.
 
6.19.2016 said:
Good points in general, but maybe more to the point on what cities players want, is that LeBron coming back while still in his prime was literally a one-in-a-gazillion exception. I'm hard-pressed to think of a comparable UFA move, of an elite prime player, into a non-destination market from a destination one; Garnett, for instance, was end-of-career coming back to Minnesota after his time on the eastern seaboard.

The ability to retain drafted/traded players is also part of the equation; it's generally accepted that Boston will, for instance, not have a hard time retaining whichever core drafted/traded players they want, although it is difficult to know for sure because Kyrie seems to march to the beat of his own drummer. I am glad that OKC retained George after losing KD, but like Kyrie he's not the highest-of-the-high-tier level like Unibrow/Coward/Curry/Bron/Giannis/etc.
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Yeah. Cleveland basically lucked out by having Kyrie here. I've always believed that. Else, it would have been maybe a couple more years of LeHeat with a shuffled deck. that was a couple of "improbables" coming together, not unlike how Golden Taint ended up hitting Spurs numbers in the draft

Everyone had Paul George as a lock going to LA because "reasons", and when he stayed, I smiled
Now it's more of an evil grin, because I think he's been better than ever in OKC. Maybe not in sheer ability compared to pre-injury, but the stats don't lie for him.
 
Dr. Claw said:
Yeah. Cleveland basically lucked out by having Kyrie here. I've always believed that. Else, it would have been maybe a couple more years of LeHeat with a shuffled deck. that was a couple of "improbables" coming together, not unlike how Golden Taint ended up hitting Spurs numbers in the draft

Everyone had Paul George as a lock going to LA because "reasons", and when he stayed, I smiled
Now it's more of an evil grin, because I think he's been better than ever in OKC. Maybe not in sheer ability compared to pre-injury, but the stats don't lie for him.
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It's hard to say how a shuffled LeHeat post-2014 would've looked, or if it would've even happened in that scenario.

I've said that last season's Cavs were basically the 2013-14 Heat - both were mortgaged-to-the-hilt, older rosters, with low-50 wins; that Heat went 12-3 against a much weaker East and got gentleman's swept in the finals.

'14 Wade very roughly = Korver+G.Hill+half-season older Wade et al, and Love = Bosh; even if the analogy doesn't make sense with the dinosaur's blood clot situation, both have been talented but on the wrong side of their primes.

Not sure how much Titanic deck-chair shuffling the Heat could've done akin to ours at the deadline, especially given Arison's unwillingness on luxury tax. We already know that Bron will jump ship when the going gets tough, especially when his stars are 65 mill--er, 30 and 2 years from retirement, and a very old 32. But the question is where he would've gone if not here in '14.
 
Kyrie4MVP0202 said:
The more this dude opens his mouth the more he takes away from the championship.

Not a fan of this guy anymore.
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I get why many of us might not like his other actions/words of late, but if you're talking about his comments about his championship making him the GOAT, it's a widely-held opinion here.

Although The Big LeBronski does need to keep in mind that the GOAT is a name no one would self-apply where I come from...
 
I guess this is where to post it: Watching the Lakers function when he's not there.... LeBron might have lucked himself into a team that may not need to do TOO much upgrading even if there isn't a big free agency grab. No Rondo, no LeBron and they're moving the ball, some good to great shooting on the outside, some very good inside passing. Their bigs are pretty effective. And then you have the "JR/Shump" combo in Lance/Caldwell-Pope

Ingram is a totally different player when LeBron isn't on the court.
 
Dr. Claw said:
I guess this is where to post it: Watching the Lakers function when he's not there.... LeBron might have lucked himself into a team that may not need to do TOO much upgrading even if there isn't a big free agency grab. No Rondo, no LeBron and they're moving the ball, some good to great shooting on the outside, some very good inside passing. Their bigs are pretty effective. And then you have the "JR/Shump" combo in Lance/Caldwell-Pope

Ingram is a totally different player when LeBron isn't on the court.
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It’s all Lebron just like he beat GSW by himself
 
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