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What grade to you give the Browns for hiring Freddie Kitchens as their next Head Coach?

  • A+

    Votes: 38 20.8%
  • A

    Votes: 57 31.1%
  • A-

    Votes: 15 8.2%
  • B

    Votes: 18 9.8%
  • Less than that, but I'm also not fun at parties.

    Votes: 55 30.1%

  • Total voters
    183
If we switch to the 3-4 I will lose my fucking mind.
I would imagine, with our personnel like Garrett, etc., there is no way that would happen--even with Pagano.

He's shown flexibility in the past.

Here's an interview with him in 2013 as the head coach of the Colts coming off their first playoff year.

As they installed their new defense last year, the Indianapolis Colts emphasized it wasn’t a pure 3-4 scheme, but a hybrid.

Looking back, coach Chuck Pagano says in 2012 Indianapolis didn’t use a lot of the sort of 3-4 scheme most of us think of at all.


“With a nose and two big defensive ends, 5-technique types, playing 2-gap?” Pagano said. “I would say very, very, very little were we ever in a straight 2-gap. I think trying to go from a straight 4-3, which we ran for so long here and the way that our roster was set a year ago personnel-wise, it would have been asking a ton of these guys to go from the system and scheme they’d been running. It was hard enough asking the guys to make the transition and they did a great job.”

In free agency and the draft, Indianapolis added three defensive linemen (Ricky Jean Francois, Aubrayo Franklin and Montori Hughes) and three outside linebackers (Erik Walden, Lawrence Sidbury and Bjoern Werner). That group will help the Colts dramatically reshape their front. All of them but Werner, the first-round pick, can be labeled as 3-4 players coming in, arriving in Indianapolis with 3-4 experience.

But, Pagano said, don’t rush to drop the hybrid tag.

We’re not going to say, ‘Hey, we’re a 3-4 team, we’re a 4-3 team, an under team, an over team,'” Pagano said. “So it’s best to classify us as a hybrid 3-4 defense. The system that I came from [in Baltimore], the systems [defensive coordinator] Greg Manusky has been part of, they’ve all had flexibility to them."

http://www.espn.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/49898/with-more-3-4-people-colts-still-hybrid
 
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Will he play the fullback?
 
My point wasn't that we should thank Hue.

My point was that you seemed to blame Hue for our inability to attract an A+ coach. I was simply pointing out that through his incompetence, Hue actually made it more likely we could attract a very good coach because it gave us assets, including the No.1 overall pick. in fact, it may have been all those assets that enabled Haslam to land Dorsey.

Which is all kind of an indirect way of saying that if someone believes we didn't get a great coach, their problem is more with who Dorsey preferred than guys not wanting to coach here.

Hue was our unintended Byron Scott. Sashi was our intended Chris Grant.
 
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I’m well aware of this. Pretty much every team runs hybrid schemes. The base system does matter in the sense of personnel, though.

If he runs a 3-4 man coverage base, which is seemingly the coverage everyone wants, then the starting linebackers need to be more agile, your front three need to generate pass rush, and your corners need to be fast and play the player. That inherently effects who you draft and sign. Your best defensive players play that scheme.

So yes, obsessing over 43 or 34 as the best is silly, but it’s not when you actually think about how you fill the roster.
 
I have no idea what this guy is talking about it is absolutely more complicated than that

I mean in that world the best DCs would just be cheerleaders

“You’ve just got to rush your heart out!!!”
“Cover, cover, cover!!!”

Sometimes people try to boil things down to their simplest terms and it doesn’t do justice to how much the details matter. Which is funny because in the same tweet he mentions attention to detail while trying to boil football down to such simple terms
 
I have no idea what this guy is talking about it is absolutely more complicated than that

I mean in that world the best DCs would just be cheerleaders

“You’ve just got to rush your heart out!!!”
“Cover, cover, cover!!!”

Sometimes people try to boil things down to their simplest terms and it doesn’t do justice to how much the details matter. Which is funny because in the same tweet he mentions attention to detail while trying to boil football down to such simple terms
That avatar... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
 
I’m well aware of this. Pretty much every team runs hybrid schemes. The base system does matter in the sense of personnel, though.

If he runs a 3-4 man coverage base, which is seemingly the coverage everyone wants, then the starting linebackers need to be more agile, your front three need to generate pass rush, and your corners need to be fast and play the player. That inherently effects who you draft and sign. Your best defensive players play that scheme.

So yes, obsessing over 43 or 34 as the best is silly, but it’s not when you actually think about how you fill the roster.

If it didn't make a difference, coordinators wouldn't draft/desire players to fit their system. We've seen it again and again.
 
I was all aboard swinging for the fences with this hire, feeling that it was necessary in order for our team to get where I wanted it to go. I felt that we needed to be at the forefront of offensive innovation in the NFL by utilizing many college spread concepts, especially with a quarterback uniquely adept at running such a scheme. I never was going to even entertain a "big picture" coach or a defensive coordinator to be our head coach. I wanted someone who understood what needed to happen on offense to win games.

There are 8 teams remaining in the NFL playoffs. Here's who calls plays for them:

Kansas City Chiefs - Andy Reid
Indianapolis Colts - Frank Reich

New England Patriots - Josh McDaniels
Los Angeles Chargers - Ken Whisenhunt
Los Angeles Rams - Sean McVay
Philadelphia Eagles - Doug Pederson
New Orleans Saints - Sean Payton

Dallas Cowboys - Scott Linehan (Jason Garrett involved)

The four teams eliminated from the playoffs:

Baltimore Ravens - Marty Mornhinweg
Chicago Bears - Matt Nagy
Houston Texans - Bill O'Brien

Seattle Seahwawk - Brain Schottenheimer

Of the teams remaining in the playoffs, 5 of the 8 have head coaches who call the plays and are innovative on that side of the ball.

Of the teams that made the playoffs, 7 of the 12 have head coaches who call the plays.

Now, more than ever, this is where you need to go as the NFL continues to change.


Based on this, my most recent personal list was:

1) Lincoln Riley, 2) Freddie Kitchens, 3) Matt Campbell, 4) Josh McDaniels, 5) Kevin Stefanski, 6) John DeFilippo

As soon as Lincoln Riley was unavailable, I was hoping we'd keep Freddie Kitchens. So, Lincoln Riley was my A+. Freddie was right there, but I give it just a solid A.

Right. Like if Freddie isn’t calling plays, what’s he doing when the offense is on the field? Watching? Isn’t he doing that while calling plays? He’s not gathering the position grouping, even as OC.
 
If it didn't make a difference, coordinators wouldn't draft/desire players to fit their system. We've seen it again and again.
That’s exactly my point. It matters. Not in the sense that one is better than the other, but rather, in how coaches fill their roster and run various coverages.
 
Monken is interesting because he seems to have enough credibility right now to land one an open OC job where he would definitely be the primary playcaller.

Unless Kitchens is planning to give that responsibility up...
 

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