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Freddie Kitchens: vaguely employed

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What grade to you give the Browns for hiring Freddie Kitchens as their next Head Coach?

  • A+

    Votes: 38 20.8%
  • A

    Votes: 57 31.1%
  • A-

    Votes: 15 8.2%
  • B

    Votes: 18 9.8%
  • Less than that, but I'm also not fun at parties.

    Votes: 55 30.1%

  • Total voters
    183
I know that’s the official version, but if we are honest with ourselves, the team we root for right now was an expansion team in 1999, and the team I grew up rooting for moved to Baltimore and won Super Bowls there. Most of the Cleveland Browns players from 1994 ended up in Baltimore in 1995. The Baltimore NFL team, in 1995, was not an expansion team, in any meaningful sense of the word. In fact, they even had gear made up with the name “Baltimore Browns”. I’ve seen those shirts around.

It sucks, I know. But it’s the way things actually went down.

I know not a popular stance, but it is 100% true and why I cannot ever hate the Steelers as much as I hate the Ravens. Those should be our fucking super bowls. Hell the HOF GM of the Ravens got the job because he is a former HOF Tight End for the Browns and developed a relationship with the Traitor….I mean Owner who fucking moved the team.
 
None of which means the entire history of the team went with the 1994 team...

While we got to keep the team name and colors and history, keeping the history is kind of a hollow victory as we had to start over from scratch and have had zero of the past management or knowledge that the organization had built up because 100% of that went with the team to Baltimore.
 
Pagano's defenses in Indy were constantly ranked towards the bottom of the league. These are worse numbers than Gregg has.

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Seems like there's some risk hiring Kitchens. The "next new hotness" often flames out.

True, but without exception, there's a risk in anyone whom we would have hired. Just for starters, every single other candidate raises the possibility that we lose Kitchens, and whomever we get to replace him doesn't have the same rapport/success. That's an inherent, unavoidable risk. Additionally....

1) Suppose we'd have gotten Lincoln Riley or some hot college coach. There's the risk that his successful college system doesn't work, or maybe only works for a bit before cratering for one reason or another. Or maybe his leadership style works much better with college kids than with some of the grown men, including prima donnas, inhabiting the pro ranks. Instead of Pete Carroll, you get Chip Kelly or Nick Saban. There's always that risk no matter how certain you are that a particular college coach will be successful

2) Suppose you go for an NFL coordinator. No matter how ready/perfect he may seem, it may be that 1) he's actually not really ready, 2) the job is just too big for him, and/or 3) his success as a coordinator elsewhere was actually dependent on player talent or other factors of which we weren't aware. That gives you "can't miss" Josh McDaniels completely flaming out in Denver.

3) Or suppose you go for the proven, successful veteran head NFL coach. Well, maybe his success was based on great coordinators, position coaches, or particular talent that wouldn't apply to the Browns. With very limited exceptions, the only reason a "proven success" NFL head coach is available is because he's also a "proven failure". So then the question is which guy are you gettting? The guy who has proven he might succeed, or the guy who also has proven he can fail?

4) The only real exception to any of these is if you get a previously successful head coach who hasn't (yet) proven that he also can fail, but is available for some reason other than getting fired. That would have been Arians. But if you hire Arians and some team then swoops in to decide it wants Kitchens as an HC, you're going to lose that continuity and so be taking a risk. There's also the question of health, age, and/or whatever other factors induced him to leave his last job. Or whatever other factors led Dorsey to not even grant Arians an interview despite his publicly campaigning for the job.

The guy wasn't even a play caller for a full season and doesn't have NFL head coaching experience. Certainly wasn't a "play it safe" move by a team that could hire anyone they wanted.

Kitchens is literally the only person in the entire world who has proven to have elevated this current roster of Browns offensive talent to be one of the most prolific in the entire league. In that sense -- preserving and presumably improving the incredible offense we saw in the second half of the season -- Kitchens was actually the safest pick we could have made.

Are there risks in other aspects of him becoming the head coach? Sure, but the only way to have no risk is to already have the guy in place who has proven he can win with this roster, and just retain him. Any outsider you hire, no matter who it is, comes with "risk".
 
Monken definitely has the goods offensively.

But then again, so does Kitchens (we think). Infinitely curious who would be the playcaller if that went down.
 
The Browns have yet to acknowledge the Kitchens' hiring.

Wonder how quickly they'll announce his hiring and hold a press conference. Was hoping for his presser today.
 
Pagano's defenses in Indy were constantly ranked towards the bottom of the league. These are worse numbers than Gregg has.

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And when he was with Baltimore, the defense was tremendous.

Hes a hell of a DC. Hes not much of a head coach.

Edit: I would imagine if they hire Monken, hes here to call plays. Hes a hell of an OC who is more of a spread style guy. Would be awful interesting with Baker.
 
Not sure monken would want to be a Monday-Saturday OC and I doubt Freddie would give up play calling year 1
 
And when he was with Baltimore, the defense was tremendous.

Hes a hell of a DC. Hes not much of a head coach.
He was a DC for only one year and after he left Baltimore the Ravens defense still flourished under Pees and now Martindale.
 
He was a DC for one year and after he left Baltimore the Ravens defense still flourished under other coaches.

2010 Ravens D before Pagano: 10th
2011 Ravens D under Pagano: 3rd
2012 Ravens D after Pagano: 17th
2013 Ravens D after Pagano: 12th

They were never bad, but they definitely weren't quite as good right before he got there and right after he left either.
 
Monken would be an incredibly interesting hire.

Inherently familiar w/ spread concepts, pretty innovative guy. Could be a good fit alongside Fab Five Freddie.

Impressive coach. Took over a So Miss program in shambles and turned it around.
 
Monken would be a solid get for a guy learning the role of head coach.

Freddie spent all these years NOT calling plays, just to call them for 8 weeks. I mean, he can still have a positive influence on the offense and gameplan with Baker Mayfield without having to call the actual plays.

Personally, I kind of hope he keeps calling them because they have a good thing going, but I'm not at all upset if he trusts someone else to while he stays involved. Especially Monken.

This is a case and point of Freddie being smart enough to know what all he can handle, and having the ability to trust those around him. Just as he took input from players, he's not too prideful to refuse to do something that could make us better.

I know Monken is certainly sought-after. As soon as LaFleur took the Packers job, I know many Tennessee fans were hoping to steal him.
 
Cut to the 4:30 mark: Baker and Kitchens on the sideline... You start to see that these guys aren't just player-coach, they've got a very real bond.

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"Guy's an idiot." :chuckle: And I'm about 90% sure he insinuated Kitchens is our mascot.
 

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