Kareem Hunt: One Pissed Off Runner!

Chris said:

What was botched? The presser?

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Yeah, I'm not sure how this could've been "botched." Either people are okay with the signing or they aren't, and if they aren't I doubt Dorsey is going to be able to satisfy those people with any sort of explanation.

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For the record, this wasn't domestic violence. In an attempt to continue to package all of this correctly. It would be classified under assault. I think making the distinction does matter. And I agree with @2 For The Brew - Dorsey is the football man. He released a statement but from then on it should be the Haslam's answering this type of thing.

I am of the opinion that Hunt’s odds as a productive member of society are higher with football than without it.

To suspend him 1 to 5 years wouldn’t accomplish anything helping him right the ship.

This all comes down to his actions or lack of actions going forward. Talk is cheap, as Dorsey said. Hopefully our organization has a plan to assist him, hopefully Hunt’s own plan to stay out of trouble is solid, and hopefully he can avoid the negativity of the bad apples in his circle.

We got a good risk/reward on a good football player, and he was that cheap for good reasons. Now the league will suspend him, and once he returns we go from there.

At the end of the day, what better path is there for the young man than what we is happening now? What? Bagging groceries? Drinking his life away? Visiting women’s shelters or donating them money? Nothing is ideal based on what he did, but this is a reasonable attempt at picking up the pieces.

If you can’t root for him, that’s fine, but I will root for him not to break rushing records, but to turn his life around, and I don’t think anyone should have to apologize for that.

Chris said:

What was botched? The presser?

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2 For The Brew said:

Dorsey was NOT the highest football decision maker on THIS issue. It was made clear yesterday that Jimmy and Dee Haslem signed off on this.

If ownership has set the policy on this topic as Dorsey said then he'd be an idiot to weave into that lane. That policy would apply to every Browns employee, including him.

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Dorsey is what, #2 or #3 in the entire organization and directly responsible for the football operations.

Its his responsibility (his DUTY), as someone in a position of power speaking on behalf of the organization and the city to explain this policy is you're going to sign someone who has violated it and has multiple other instances of possible violence in his past.

For him to not even be able to recite the company's policy regarding violence towards women is an embarrassment to the organization.

If he can't recite it because there isn't a policy, that is worse.

brownsbuck6 said:

For the record, this wasn't domestic violence. In an attempt to continue to package all of this correctly. It would be classified under assault. I think making the distinction does matter. And I agree with @2 For The Brew - Dorsey is the football man. He released a statement but from then on it should be the Haslam's answering this type of thing.

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Why does it matter?

brownsbuck6 said:

For the record, this wasn't domestic violence. In an attempt to continue to package all of this correctly. It would be classified under assault. I think making the distinction does matter. And I agree with @2 For The Brew - Dorsey is the football man. He released a statement but from then on it should be the Haslam's answering this type of thing.

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Yeah, they are important distinctions. A lot of times, domestic violence victims get beat or lambasted for an imperfectly cooked dinner. Or, they get beat simply because they were in the way. A lot of domestic violence victims don't get to escape, let alone get money for a ride home, only to proceed to bang on a hotel door for an hour, then throw a swing at a woman who answers. I have seen domestic violence; I've grown up seeing it. It's violent, it often happens with recurrences, and the victim often times is simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

David. said:

Why does it matter?

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Because, in my opinion at least, beating your wife or girlfriend, someone you're supposed to care for, is worse than getting into a drunken argument and shoving match with a relative stranger.

David. said:

Why does it matter?

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Best thing I can do is quote XUDawg from the OBR... he said it best.

"It's weird that people are so quickly placing this DV/wifebeater/Ray Rice style Scarlet letter on this guy.

His problems seem to be with respect and self-control.

The kick being described in the thread is an act of disrespect, not really an act of forceful violence. The problem is his treatment of another person like a lesser life form. This does not at all resemble intimate partner violence, which happens in private, and involves violence and also involves, you know, intimate partners.

My problem with him is his ability to control himself when he's around what clearly seems like not the best people for his well-being. Being in Cleveland will not make this easier for him. Hopefully there is a plan in place with the team to help avoid this type of situation.

But treating the guy like a wifebeater is wrong. He is not a domestic abuser. It's not the same thing."

I think it's well accepted that a 'wife beater' carries a stronger negative connotation to it.

brownsbuck6 said:

You know, I have full respect for people's varying opinions on this - it's a complicated subject. However, taking this hard core all or nothing black or white stance, and then slapping 'funnies' on anyone with different takes and acting morally superior - well that's our Steve. It's the same tact he takes with anything LeBron related. Never ever shades of grey. PC culture gone amuck (and I'm liberal).

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Oh, I know how he is... both with LeBron and now with cases such as these. I just hope he's not a judge, cop, or person of power where this kind of black and white mindset has influence over other people's lives.

I'm done with it and am going to stay away from personal attacks on him because I'm not trying to get a PM from a mod threatening to be banned. People like that just aren't worth it.

brownsbuck6 said:

Best thing I can do is quote XUDawg from the OBR... he said it best.

"It's weird that people are so quickly placing this DV/wifebeater/Ray Rice style Scarlet letter on this guy.

His problems seem to be with respect and self-control.

The kick being described in the thread is an act of disrespect, not really an act of forceful violence. The problem is his treatment of another person like a lesser life form. This does not at all resemble intimate partner violence, which happens in private, and involves violence and also involves, you know, intimate partners.

My problem with him is his ability to control himself when he's around what clearly seems like not the best people for his well-being. Being in Cleveland will not make this easier for him. Hopefully there is a plan in place with the team to help avoid this type of situation.

But treating the guy like a wifebeater is wrong. He is not a domestic abuser. It's not the same thing."

I think it's well accepted that a 'wife beater' carries a stronger negative connotation to it.

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I'd say his issue is that he can't control himself when he's drinking, as it seems like he's had three separate incidents where he got physical with someone while he was drinking.

SO the argument about this is taking the wrong turn because of domestic abuse. There are 2 valid arguments here and I 100% disagree with some that the validity of the position he plays is one of the arguments. When ever you do something that is going to cause a huge PR hit, the need for the player is very important to consider. Personally I would rather sign Kaepernick and give him a shot for our backup QB which will be a huge need rather than take on the PR hit for a RB who will play like 4 games for us, but that decision isn't mine.

And this is not a domestic abuse issue, the video we have is way over blown, he has a drinking issue, not a hitting woman issue. He has an anger management issue not a wife beating issue. This was the 2nd of 3 alcohol and anger related incidents in a short 6 month period. He is most likely an alcoholic or at the very least an alcohol abuser and extreme anger issues.

In the Ray Rice video he knocks out his fiancée then drags her by the hair, if you watch the Hunt video and come away with even close to the same level of violence then you aren't being honest.

But like I said, do we need this hassle for the position of rb and is the league doing the right thing suspending someone for almost a full season for an alcohol issue he is getting treatment for? I mean Gordon is kicked out of the league for life for essential being clinically depressed and using legal medication the league doesn't approve of, even the commissioner mentioned the issues is all three incidents, not just the one on the video, so this is not a woman abuser, but it is an alcohol abuser with anger issues.

I have gone back and forth because in the end everyone deserves a 2nd chance and the league is treating people with real medical issues, alcoholic, clinically depressed as garbage because the league is very small minded. Now I need to decide if my sense of right and wrong is bigger than a huge pr hit my team is taking...and this is tough, this is one of the most grey area issues I have run across in a very long time.

I’m amazed how many people don’t like this because of the PR hit

I’m glad the Browns cared more about doing what they thought was best than shaping their actions based on media reaction

You should do something you view as right or wrong based on your own beliefs. Not because the court of public opinion demands such and such. Fuck a PR hit

sportscoach said:

Hunt in 17 had what 1700 all purpose yards (not including the kick returns),

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Is Kareem Hunt the return man gonna be the new RCF meme?

AZ_ said:

They’ve completely botched this, and now you have the highest football decision maker in the organization being unable to take a stance about the organizations policy on domestic violence.

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He simply felt that he was being baited and didn’t want to comment.

And—he was right—he was being baited. It was a stupid question that had an obvious answer. That’s like saying “where does the organization stand on murdering other humans?” It’s rhetorical in nature and she was trying to make a point when asking it. He didn’t want to dignify the question.

Clearly he, along with anyone else, is and should be against domestic violence.

He stated as much when discussing Kareem’s “egregious” mistakes.

You can be against the behavior and also believe in 2nd chances. They aren’t mutually exclusive.