2019 Series #24 | Indians @ Rangers | June 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th

Out of the Rafters at the Q said:

Just like @BMAN said, I would still move Bauer. You only use 4 starters in the playoffs, and we have Kluber/Cookie/Clevinger/Bieber, with Plesac looking fine and McKenzie hopefully beating down that door next year.

I'm terrified for Cookie right now though. It's crazy that we lost 3 of our top starting pitchers, had historically awful offense from a few batters, and are still in this thing.

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I haven't seen any updates on Carrasco outside of the early stages saying he was going for tests and he should be back sometime this season. Hopefully its just something that can be taken care that easily, for his sake and his family's as well.

Amherstcavsfan said:

Indians climbing back into the WC race almost surely means they dont move Bauer or Hand, right?

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I can see both sides of the coin with Bauer, since we are still in the running, you don't want to sell, but at the same time Bauer should net you players in areas you are weak, and should save money/create monetary space as well so maybe you can move his contract for young players and move other guys for another veteran bat or something to finish out the roster for this season. We have a ton of options, just what is best for this season and long term at the same time.

Hand we cannot replace right now especially with Karinchak still on the mend in the minors (most likely candidate in due time for the closers role), I don't trust anyone right now can take the closers role (I still don't trust anyone even in the setup role to be honest), so moving Hand wouldn't be something I would be willing to do, but we have depth at SP so Bauer we can afford to move and still stay competing this season, Hand we cannot.

sportscoach said:

Also you gotta give Plesac credit though since he has the moxie for the pros, just can his stuff and ability to adjust keep him in the pros will be the question mark, but so far he mentally is up to the task of pitching in the pros.

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There are countless factors that can properly attributed to his success so far. Do we really have to be giving a professional athlete credit for something ambiguous like "moxie"?

Urban said:

There are countless factors that can properly attributed to his success so far. Do we really have to be giving a professional athlete credit for something ambiguous like "moxie"?

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it takes a certain moxie to make it in the pros, no one can deny that, and I gave him credit for everything else as well, but everyone only pointed out that I said he had an it factor, not the fact I also pointed out scouts where saying his velocity is up, still has room to improve, all of his pitches he has been using so far etc. Maybe if peeps stop taking certain things I say out of context then maybe I would be a better poster in here...

I mean look at where he made his major league starts and against who, that shows his character right there that he can stay under control and himself with that kind of start to his career. Doesn't mean he will ever be an all-star, but says he has the mental makeup to be in the pros.

Quite frankly, I've always found people who try and portray rises in velocity or any talent based attribute to "being a gamer" or "having the right makeup" is disrespectful to the athlete who busts his ass to build up more velocity.

But hey, don't let that stand in the way of pulling arguments out of thin air to talk sports with the boys.

sportscoach said:

it takes a certain moxie to make it in the pros, no one can deny that, and I gave him credit for everything else as well, but everyone only pointed out that I said he had an it factor, not the fact I also pointed out scouts where saying his velocity is up, still has room to improve, all of his pitches he has been using so far etc. Maybe if peeps stop taking certain things I say out of context then maybe I would be a better poster in here...

I mean look at where he made his major league starts and against who, that shows his character right there that he can stay under control and himself with that kind of start to his career. Doesn't mean he will ever be an all-star, but says he has the mental makeup to be in the pros.

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No one is taking anything you're saying out of context. There are actual measurable factors at play here. Highlight those rather than declaring a guy has the "it factor" after a few good starts vs. some good clubs in June. Again, they're professional athletes, most of them are wired at the level you're describing already.

Urban said:

No one is taking anything you're saying out of context. There are actual measurable factors at play here. Highlight those rather than declaring a guy has the "it factor" after a few good starts vs. some good clubs in June. Again, they're professional athletes, most of them are wired at the level you're describing already.

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I did say measurable factors and the only thing that got pointed out was the one thing that was an intangible that you cannot measure, if you look at my post. Anytime I say anything that cannot be measured aka the human factor in the equation, that always gets pointed out and the rest seems to be ignored completely on almost every single post on here. I have stated just stats and usually just gets ignored so I will just post my way since it doesn't seem to matter either way.

sportscoach said:

I did say measurable factors and the only thing that got pointed out was the one thing that was an intangible that you cannot measure, if you look at my post. Anytime I say anything that cannot be measured aka the human factor in the equation, that always gets pointed out and the rest seems to be ignored completely on almost every single post on here. I have stated just stats and usually just gets ignored so I will just post my way since it doesn't seem to matter either way.

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You mentioned he has an uptick in velocity. We can look at Baseball Savant and show that it's true. Higher velocity = better results, assuming it doesn't come at the expense of a loss of command. So that has surely led to his success. So when you mention this, it isn't ignored, there just isn't really anything to discuss because it's a fact.

Urban said:

You mentioned he has an uptick in velocity. We can look at Baseball Savant and show that it's true. Higher velocity = better results, assuming it doesn't come at the expense of a loss of command. So that has surely led to his success. So when you mention this, it isn't ignored, there just isn't really anything to discuss because it's a fact.

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Yes I mentioned it, he went from hitting 93 to hitting 95/96 from being a couple years from tommy john in his senior year of college hence why he dropped to the 12th round of the draft. Why i also mentioned he is like Clev in that way, who had tommmy john at a bad time, but got stronger after tommy john. I am naturally someone who looks at the human psyche of things as well. I listen to interviews and other things as well not just look at stats. It is apart of the game but it isn't something that a stat sheet can say. I mentioned he has an it factor and thats all anyone response to period. I have actually said straight stats and its gotten ignored on here and as soon as I mention that, I get a million people just responding and making fun of it, so if I am legit, I usually get ignored and if I add any human factor comments, I get pissed on, so I will say what I feel like rather than try to make anyone happy. It's been that way since day one of talking on here, and rather than people helping me at first about things they thought I was wrong about, most of them aka AZ_ and some others, literally wouldn't tell me why I was wrong and even the mods got after them. I am going to post my opinion and be myself since its not like I feel like it matters what I say or do.

sportscoach said:

I mean they probably couldn't hit any worse than our teams first part of the season! lol

Also you gotta give Plesac credit though since he has the moxie for the pros, just can his stuff and ability to adjust keep him in the pros will be the question mark, but so far he mentally is up to the task of pitching in the pros.

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If I were Plesac, I'd be insulted that you're attributing his success to "moxie."

The kid has MLB-sufficient stuff with excellent control/placement and a good feel for how to pitch. If you blurred out the pitcher, I'd have a hard time telling him and Bieber apart based on the way they pitch.

This whole "Moxie" or "Playing up to the competition" take is bad and you should feel bad.

AZ_ said:

Quite frankly, I've always found people who try and portray rises in velocity or any talent based attribute to "being a gamer" or "having the right makeup" is disrespectful to the athlete who busts his ass to build up more velocity.

But hey, don't let that stand in the way of pulling arguments out of thin air to talk sports with the boys.

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Out of the Rafters at the Q said:

If I were Plesac, I'd be insulted that you're attributing his success to "moxie."

The kid has MLB-sufficient stuff with excellent control/placement and a good feel for how to pitch. If you blurred out the pitcher, I'd have a hard time telling him and Bieber apart based on the way they pitch.

This whole "Moxie" or "Playing up to the competition" take is bad and you should feel bad.

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But if you actually look at my whole statement, then you would know it wasn't that way at all. He was a 12th round pick, who had tommy john surgery his senior year of college and instead came back stronger afterwards. That is a testament to his attitude and the fact that he wanted it and now he has a chance to prove himself and he is out there proving himself. That is an it factor I am talking about, that you need to make it since no matter what has been thrown his way, he has overcome it, but I guess the way I say things, just don't come out the way I intended I guess since I did not say that way at all.

Stop this madness

The only thing we're missing now is a @Lord Mar Steve Harvey gif reaction

Real Deal said:

The only thing we're missing now is a @Lord Mar Steve Harvey gif reaction

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What happened to him anyways, he hasn't been on in forever?

sportscoach said:

I have actually said straight stats and its gotten ignored on here

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Seems like you ignored my post. People aren't ignoring the stats you posted dude. There just isn't always a lot to add to facts/stats because they are what they are.

I hate that I love this section of the forum so much.