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Dean Wade is pretty intriguing for an undrafted guy. See some Frank Kaminsky in his game if he can stay healthy.

More than likely we all forget the name Dean Wade in 2 years but he has some solid skills to carve out a stretch big bench role in the NBA.
 
Soar said:
Dean Wade is pretty intriguing for an undrafted guy. See some Frank Kaminsky in his game if he can stay healthy.

More than likely we all forget the name Dean Wade in 2 years but he has some solid skills to carve out a stretch big bench role in the NBA.
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A lot depends on his foot...if he was 100% healthy, I think he certainly would've been drafted. Looked like a potential 1st rounder after his junior year. Definitely worth taking a closer look at him.
 
Lee said:
Allot of us on here are draft junkies, myself included. This means we read a ton of opinions by professionals, scouts and GM's.

This draft was generally about the big 3. Zion was #1 on everyone's list, maybe the most consensus number 1 since Lebron.

With that said, I assure you that only 1 player frequently came up in professional opinion as a possible player better than Morant and/or Reddish and that is Garland.

Personally I am very high on Morant, so I don't agree, but a decent amount of pro scouts did. I am not saying Garland becomes an all star pg, but I am saying 100% he was the 4th highest ranked player in this draft if you take a poll of the pros.

The cavs went BPA regardless of fit. Do the research yourself. Not on his tape, just on opinion pre draft. Than do some research on Michigan basketball the last 10 years, Beilein loves a 2 pg system.

You are really making some crazy assumptions based on nothing. I am hoping this isn't you doing the slow troll, but at this point that is what it is looking like.
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You mean Barrett, not Reddish.. right?
 
Ozone said:
Yeah I am not trolling, I just was more impressed with players I got a larger sample size to analyze than 5 games, and although I want to believe he will contribute to the Cavs being a better team , the fact they didn't add any improvement on defense given all the rumors they wanted Hunter is the main reason for my assumption they took garland to flip him for a defensive presence . At this point I am starting to accept I may be barking up the wrong tree and the Cavs org may have relied to much on stats from HS and analytic projections than other more reliable measurement tools for projecting upside but mostly made the pick for fit in Beileins 2 pg sets instead of taking the true BPA even if garland was projected as being just that from such a small sample size
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Dude, Garland was the best player available on their board. Full stop. Stop saying things like "fit in Beilein's 2 pg sets."

Darius Garland was the highest rated player on the Cavs' board. This is a known fact.

Darius Garland was the highest rated player on nearly every single NBA board when the Cavs were on the clock.

You're going to have to accept known things if you want to have a constructive conversation.
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
Dude, Garland was the best player available on their board. Full stop. Stop saying things like "fit in Beilein's 2 pg sets."

Darius Garland was the highest rated player on the Cavs' board. This is a known fact.

Darius Garland was the highest rated player on nearly every single NBA board when the Cavs were on the clock.

You're going to have to accept known things if you want to have a constructive conversation.
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Not trying to be a dick...but...is it actually known where most teams stood on Garland vs. Culver?
 
Lee said:
Not for every team, but our insiders let us know that 4 or 5 teams they knew of had him right there with Morant. No way all of them did, but atleast a few.
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Must've miss that tidbit...that's nuts
 
Nathan S said:
Must've miss that tidbit...that's nuts
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When it came to Morant and Garland it comes down to which peak do you prefer? Best case for Morant is Russell Westbrook type who does it all who is a very streaker shooter vs Garland who some have compared to Lillard a silky smooth scorer who is efficient from the field.

I am not saying either one will reach that peak but naturally some teams are going to prefer the player with the dead eye shooting in todays game where some will take Morants all around game even if its more hit or miss and higher turnovers.
 
Nathan S said:
Must've miss that tidbit...that's nuts
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He was closer to Morant than Morant was to Zion was as a prospect.

Personally I am team Morant, I really really like his game. Also I wanted Culver, but having been this level fan for around 30 years now, I have learned that its tough to predict recruits. If you are right 30% of the time you are doing well.
 
Lee said:
He was closer to Morant than Morant was to Zion was as a prospect.

Personally I am team Morant, I really really like his game. Also I wanted Culver, but having been this level fan for around 30 years now, I have learned that its tough to predict recruits. If you are right 30% of the time you are doing well.
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I was never high on Culver. I wanted Garland after he let us work him out. When he was sitting out the combine and refusing workouts I was kinda annoyed by that. But when he gave us the workout and was apparently hitting threes from 30 feet out effortlessly that got me excited. If he can truly hit from that deep consistently that's a game changing skill.
 
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Lee said:
He was closer to Morant than Morant was to Zion was as a prospect.

Personally I am team Morant, I really really like his game. Also I wanted Culver, but having been this level fan for around 30 years now, I have learned that its tough to predict recruits. If you are right 30% of the time you are doing well.
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Definitely agree with that. I ultimately had Morant a clear #2 on my board, but that took some thought, and I can imagine a scenario where a month into the season Barrett or Culver or Garland is clearly on a more promising trajectory than him. Zion at #1 was obvious, and I can't really imagine that changing. Maybe some other rookie will average a couple more points per game than Zion, and then there'll be a faux debate for ROY the same way there is now between Doncic and Young. But in the end, I have little doubt Zion's the best prospect in this draft.
 
Nathan S said:
Definitely agree with that. I ultimately had Morant a clear #2 on my board, but that took some thought, and I can imagine a scenario where a month into the season Barrett or Culver or Garland is clearly on a more promising trajectory than him. Zion at #1 was obvious, and I can't really imagine that changing. Maybe some other rookie will average a couple more points per game than Zion, and then there'll be a faux debate for ROY the same way there is now between Doncic and Young. But in the end, I have little doubt Zion's the best prospect in this draft.
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I have some concerns with Zion personally. He may have had good numbers vs UCF and MSU in the tournament but when they matched him up with size he struggled at times. Espcially against UCF and Tacko. Clearly no one is 7-6 in the NBA but the 6-10 to 7-0 tall guys are more athletic then the average college guy he dominated against. Who he gets matched up with are gonna be a test for him.

Also the team around him in New Orleans is concerning. None of the projected starting 5 are consistent three point shooters. With the paint being clogged by Ingram and Hayes and Holiday and Ball not being knock down shooters the spacing is going to be horrible for the Pelicans. I am by no means saying he's not ultra talented and athetlic but everyone has limitations and he hasn't been put in the best situation with what hes surrounded with.
 
NMCav said:
I have some concerns with Zion personally. He may have had good numbers vs UCF and MSU in the tournament but when they matched him up with size he struggled at times. Espcially against UCF and Tacko. Clearly no one is 7-6 in the NBA but the 6-10 to 7-0 tall guys are more athletic then the average college guy he dominated against. Who he gets matched up with are gonna be a test for him.

Also the team around him in New Orleans is concerning. None of the projected starting 5 are consistent three point shooters. With the paint being clogged by Ingram and Hayes and Holiday and Ball not being knock down shooters the spacing is going to be horrible for the Pelicans. I am by no means saying he's not ultra talented and athetlic but everyone has limitations and he hasn't been put in the best situation with what hes surrounded with.
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Agree that he's not the clear #1 prospect offensively, and the fit isn't great there either. But all-around, considering offense and defense, he's head and shoulders above everyone else. He should be an instant difference maker on defense in particular.
 
Ozone said:
Kill me all you want, if they did not draft him to trade him, they are as dumb as everyone supporting the idea of a no defense back court.
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Just who are they flipping him for?
It would stupid for them to draft him and then trade him.
This isn't KLove for Wiggins to appease LBJ.
Now if there's a team with a big FA that wants Garland, then I can see that..but no one has heard anything like that.
This is the Cavs trying to rebuild..get the best players then go from there.
I might have gone a different direction as I love defense and bigger guards..but because the team lacks talent (and Hunter was gone) go get the best player on the board.
Now if you want to argue who the BPA is , well thats a different ball game.
Only time will tell with this group of draftees.
I had my eye on Culver but I never touted him as the best prospect..I only was looking for a defensive wing player.
I'm kinda ok with their draft ..
 
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