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what does this make you? really. have you accomplished what the so called idiot has done??

Maybe calling him an idiot might not have been the most accurate. Perhaps, he should instead have refered to him as an out of touch opinionated rabblerouser. A former sports superstar who's statements on this matter has little basis in fact. Likely because he has objectives in making those statements that are contrary to being unbiased in an opinion.

Look. He was a tremendous athlete. Certainly the greatest football player to ever play in a Brown's uniform. But, since when did running a football across a goal line give you the right to rewrite the definition of facts. It was pretty clear that Gilbert's letter, while harsh, was not racial in intent. I'd hate to think we are going back to the time when you can't say the same things to two different people because one of them just happens to be a different race.
 
Found what I was looking for:

Jim Brown was hard to bring down
By Larry Schwartz
Special to ESPN.com


"I'm not interested in trying to work on people's perceptions. I am who I am, and if you don't take the time to learn about that, then your perception is going to be your problem," said Jim Brown on ESPN Classic's SportsCentury series.

After being tackled, he would pick himself off the grass painfully and slowly, looking like a man who had just been hit by a bus.

Television captured the power and grace of Jim Brown.
He would trudge ever so deliberately back to the huddle. Then, on the next play, he would burst through the line again, shrugging off would-be tacklers.

Jim Brown is to running backs what Superman is to cartoon heroes. Standing 6-foot-2 and packing 230 hard pounds on his square-shouldered frame, he was an explosive fullback, combining outstanding speed with awesome power. He played only nine seasons for the Cleveland Browns - and led the NFL in rushing eight times.

He averaged 104 yards a game, a record 5.22 yards a pop. He ran for at least 100 yards in 58 of his 118 regular-season games (he never missed a game). He ran for 237 yards in a game twice, scored five touchdowns in another game, and four times scored four touchdowns. He rushed for more than 1,000 yards seven times, scorching opponents for 1,527 yards in one 12-game season and 1,863 in a 14-game season.

"For mercurial speed, airy nimbleness, and explosive violence in one package of undistilled evil, there is no other like Mr. Brown," wrote Pulitzer Prize winner Red Smith.


Jim Brown averaged a whopping 5.2 yards per carry in his NFL career.
Unlike most athletes, Brown retired when he was on top. At 30, he decided he'd rather be in movies than star on a football field. When he did leave the game before the 1966 season, no player had ever ran for as many yards (12,312) or scored more touchdowns (126) or rushing touchdowns (106).

"And he played at a time when defenses were set against the run first and the pass second," said Hall of Fame running back Gale Sayers.

And football might not have been Brown's best sport. There are those who say he was a more talented lacrosse player.

Brown was born on Feb. 17, 1936 on St. Simons Island off the southern coast of Georgia. He was abandoned by his father about two weeks after his birth, and his mother left when he was two to take a job as a maid on Long Island, New York. His great-grandmother raised Brown, and they shared a house with his grandmother, who was an alcoholic. When he was four, he attended school in a segregated two-room shack. At eight, his mother sent for him; it was the first time they saw each other in six years.

At mostly white Manhasset High School, Brown earned 13 letters playing football, basketball, baseball, lacrosse and running track. As a senior, he averaged 14.9 yards a carry as a running back and 38 points a game as a basketball forward. While in high school, Brown and several other athletes created a gang called "The Gaylords," and Brown was elected president. He said the gang was involved in some fistfights, but nothing too dangerous, and nobody ever did jail time.

As a sophomore at Syracuse, Brown was the second leading rusher on the team. That winter, he was Syracuse's second leading scorer in basketball, averaging 15 points. He also earned a letter in track that spring.

As a junior, he rushed for 666 yards (5.2 per carry), averaged 11.3 points in basketball and made second-team All-American in lacrosse. In his senior year, Brown was first-team All-American in both football and lacrosse (43 goals in 10 games to tie for the national scoring championship). He averaged 6.2 yards in running for 986 yards (third most in the country despite Syracuse playing only eight games) and scored 14 touchdowns.

In the regular-season finale, a 61-7 rout of Colgate, he rushed for 197 yards, scored six touchdowns and kicked seven extra points for 43 points. Then in the Cotton Bowl he rushed for 132 yards, scored three touchdowns and kicked three extra points. But a blocked extra point after Syracuse's third touchdown was the difference as TCU won 28-27.

Brown, Cleveland's first-round draft choice at No. 6 overall, was the NFL's Rookie of the Year in 1957, leading all running backs with 942 yards. "When you have a thoroughbred," coach Paul Brown said, "you run him."

The next year the fullback was MVP after leading the league in rushing with 1,527 yards and touchdowns with 18. But his season ended in disappointment when the Browns lost the regular-season finale 13-10 to the New York Giants, leaving the teams tied for first in the East, and then 10-0 the following Sunday. Brown was held to just eight yards on seven carries in the playoff game.

Brown's 1,329 and 1,257 yards in 12-game seasons led NFL rushers the next two seasons. In 1961, in the first 14-game season, Brown was No. 1 for the fifth straight season with 1,408 yards. But the Browns again failed to make the postseason and tension with Paul Brown intensified. In 1962, for the only time in his career, Brown failed to win the rushing title, gaining just 996 yards.

Differences with Paul Brown worsened as Cleveland fell to 7-6-1. After the season, the outspoken fullback headed a players revolt and told owner Art Modell "either Paul Brown goes or I quit." Paul Brown was fired.


Jim Brown rushed for more than 1,000 yards seven times.
In his initial season under new coach Blanton Collier, Brown became the first back to run for more than a mile as he gained 1,863 yards. He led the league with 1,446 yards in 1964 as the Browns won the NFL championship. They routed Baltimore 27-0 in the title game, with Brown rushing for a game-high 114 yards.

In 1965 - in what would be his final season - Brown won his second MVP after leading the league in rushing with 1,544 yards and scoring 21 touchdowns (17 running). The Browns made it back to the title game, but this time they lost - 23-12 to the Packers.

While working on "The Dirty Dozen" in London, Brown stunned the sports world by announcing his retirement. He said he wanted to devote more time to his movie career and race relations. Brown went on to appear in some 32 movies, with "The Dirty Dozen" and "Ice Station Zebra" being the best.

In the 1960s, Brown helped form the Negro Industrial Economic Union to assist black-owned businesses. In 1988, he created the Amer-I-Can program, an effort to turn gang members from destructive to productive members of society.

He has been an outspoken critic of the modern African-American athlete for what he perceives as a lack of involvement in the African-American community. "A Charles Barkley, a Magic Johnson, and a Michael Jordan are basically prima donnas," Brown said.

Brown has been inducted into the Halls of Fame of Pro Football, College Football and Lacrosse. No other player has accomplished this triple.

But for all Brown's good deeds and athletic prowess, there appears to be a dark side to him as well. He has been frequently accused of violent crimes, primarily toward women.

An 18-year-old accused Brown of forcing her to have sex after giving her whisky, but a jury found him innocent of assault and battery in the 10-day trial in 1965. He was accused of throwing his girlfriend from a balcony in 1968, but when the 22-year-old woman refused to name Brown as her assailant, the charge of assault with intent to murder was dropped. He was fined $300 for resisting a deputy.

Brown was acquitted of assaulting a man after a traffic accident in 1969. He was fined $500 and spent a day in jail after beating up a golfing partner in 1978. He was charged with rape, sexual battery and assault in 1985, but the charges were dropped when the 33-year-old woman gave inconsistent testimony.

The next year, he was arrested for allegedly beating his fiancée after accusing her of flirting. He spent three hours in jail, but three days later the 21-year-old woman said she didn't want to prosecute.

In October 1999, Brown was convicted in Los Angeles of smashing the window of his 25-year-old wife Monique's car, but was acquitted of making terrorist threats against her. The judge sentenced him to three years' probation, stripped him of his driver's license for a year, fined him $1,700 to be paid to a battered woman's shelter and a domestic abuse fund, and ordered him to attend special counseling for domestic batterers.

When Brown refused counseling, he was given a six-month sentence. He was released from jail in Ventura County (California) in July 2002 after serving less than four months.


http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Brown_Jim.html

What did Paul Brown do then? Why, the Bengals of course.

Like I said; Jim Brown needs to shut his trap.
 
Racism is dead? Jim Brown, an advocate for at-risk youths who has done more humanitarian work than every poster in the current coversation combined?

Wow. Someone should tell the pricks on XBox Live about the "racism doesn't exist anymore" memo, lol.

Utter lack of perspective FTL.
 
what does this make you? really. have you accomplished what the so called idiot has done??

So, because he was a successful football player, that means he can't be an idiot or a bad person?! :confused:

Him being a success just means he was a good athlete, nothing more. It doesn't mean he's a good person and it sure as hell doesn't mean he can't be viewed as an idiot..
 
Well, he has accomplished things other than football. The guy hates women and loves abusing them.

Learner did bad by not getting rid of him sooner. How many in here could get away with what this guy has done to women and still have a position with your employer?
 
Well, he has accomplished things other than football. The guy hates women and loves abusing them.

Learner did bad by not getting rid of him sooner. How many in here could get away with what this guy has done to women and still have a position with your employer?

Comparing (2010) blogger's to (1960) Jim Brown?
 
im sorry but if you think racism is dead you need to go look at how the muslims are being treated right now in this country. they are trying to put up the equivalent to a YMCA and there are people trying to keep them from building it. dont even try to tell me thats not racism.

and for the record Im not saying you arent allowed to disagree with it, im saying you arent allowed to tell them no. there is a big difference.

that said jim brown is an idiot on this one, just like jesse jackson. Dan gilberts letter had absolutely nothing to do with race, and everything to do with how lebron james acted.
 
im sorry but if you think racism is dead you need to go look at how the muslims are being treated right now in this country. they are trying to put up the equivalent to a YMCA and there are people trying to keep them from building it. dont even try to tell me thats not racism.

and for the record Im not saying you arent allowed to disagree with it, im saying you arent allowed to tell them no. there is a big difference.

that said jim brown is an idiot on this one, just like jesse jackson. Dan gilberts letter had absolutely nothing to do with race, and everything to do with how lebron james acted.

Why Bob? Why did you go and stick in that crap? :chuckles:

Of course they have the damn right to build the damn thing. That misses the point totally and completely. It's NOT a racial thing whatsoever. Geezee. I can tell them NO and do NOT build it anyway. Does that make me a racist, or someone who cares about the victim's families of 911?

added:

By not giving two shits about any of that or the feelings or sentiments of a majority of the country, this guy who is pushing this thing clearly has other motives for not wanting to move it.
 
Jim Brown, an advocate for at-risk youths who has done more humanitarian work than every poster in the current coversation combined?

Jim Brown, an arrogant, self-centered, attention whore who has beaten more women than every poster in the current conversation combined.

He may do some good work for a charity here or there, but it doesn't make him a good person by any means.
 
Racism is dead? Jim Brown, an advocate for at-risk youths who has done more humanitarian work than every poster in the current coversation combined?

Wow. Someone should tell the pricks on XBox Live about the "racism doesn't exist anymore" memo, lol.

Utter lack of perspective FTL.

I'm thinking your statement is probably false anyway. Who are you to judge how much charity work has been done by members in here? Besides that, how does that kind of work give any member or any other person the right to get away with being a bad person of bad character? Do we all get a pass just because we have helped others even if we are very bad in other areas? I think not.

I gave food and shelter to a homeless man. I beat my wife that night. I get a pass for beating my wife, right?

Ridiculous.
 
Why Bob? Why did you go and stick in that crap? :chuckles:

Of course they have the damn right to build the damn thing. That misses the point totally and completely. It's NOT a racial thing whatsoever. Geezee. I can tell them NO and do NOT build it anyway. Does that make me a racist, or someone who cares about the victim's families of 911?

added:

By not giving two shits about any of that or the feelings or sentiments of a majority of the country, this guy who is pushing this thing clearly has other motives for not wanting to move it.


i hate that bigotry in this country is allowed and it almost brings me to tears.

a guy was attacked in a protest over whats going on in NYC because he "looked muslim", a town in Kentucky cheered... THEY CHEERED, when someone wanting to build a mosque was denied permit because they didnt have enough parking spaces... one of the people that made that ruling said it if was a christian church they would have allowed it. dont tell me there isnt racism in this country that isnt stirred on by what is going on in NYC. my god doug there is a mosque closer to ground zero and in the fucking pentagon right now. so im asking you as a human being... whats so wrong with what they want to do?

i could care less about what the majority of this country think, that doesnt make them right. the Constitution of these united states was written to protect the minority. to keep things like what is currently happening around this country from happening, and yet there are people that just dont care.

dan gilbert had every right to attack lebron, jim brown is a bigot in every sense of the word, and the only thing that keeps jesse jackson relevant is the fact that he can shout "racism" every couple of months.
 
I'm thinking your statement is probably false anyway. Who are you to judge how much charity work has been done by members in here? Besides that, how does that kind of work give any member or any other person the right to get away with being a bad person of bad character? Do we all get a pass just because we have helped others even if we are very bad in other areas? I think not.

I gave food and shelter to a homeless man. I beat my wife that night. I get a pass for beating my wife, right?

Ridiculous.

Judge not.
 

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