2012 Draft

[Snarly]

Looking Forward and Back II think these two Drafts we undervalue the Talent and potential than we think. I mean Kyrie Is a given However If even two of our three other picks become or grow well together we got something and what makes this al better Is... TT. Zeller and Kyrie/Waiters they can and will one day start and play off eatch other. We get a stud SF in next years draft or trade or FA we are back for contending again. If not get a solid back up rotation And two Very good SF combo and Draft a center In Next years Draft and shore all aspects. In my mind the hardest thing to find and to be affective Is a back up PG This and last years draft puts the wheels In motion and there Is no looking back. I for one after watching video, reading, and think How well this team now compliments each other Is awesome. One more Draft and this team Is going to be deadly.

 

[Hydroponic3385]

we have a huge hole now at SF, wonder how we go about securing a franchise player there because i don't know if we're going to be bad enough next year to secure a difference maker there

Gee is serviceable for now at least. We have our pick next year (I'm confident it'll be top 10 again at worst - even the year after would be mid-teens probably), tons of other teams picks (Kings pick - which we have a shot of getting soon enough thanks to Cousins/Robinson, Lakers pick, future Miami 1st & Orlando 2nd's), Varejao as possible trade bait (I know, know - many people think we won't trade him), and huge cap space the next couple years (I think 2014 is when they cash in on it). That's a pretty nice list of opportunities to still nab another couple guys who will be very good players (and I'm optimistic we can utilize/combine some of our assets to ensure a great possibility at 1 more star-level talent).

 

[MirORich]

Here's what great about your quote. After we add two more first round picks in the 2013 draft(a top 10 and a 18-24 range pick)

We still will have:
A: our own pick in 2014(probably in the 12-20 range), our own pick in 2015 , more than likely a 2014 or 2015 pick from the Kings in the 12-18 range, and the Heats 2015 1st round pick(more than likely in the high 20, BUT with potential to be much higher depending on how well Wade can hold up injury wise, and if any of the Big 3 opt out after 2014
B: 2 2014 second rd picks(more than likely used in the same fashion this years were)
C: A MASSIVE amount of cap space

Confused as to why any Cavs fan would be less than bullish about the long term future(barring massive injuries)

One more Draft and this team Is going to be deadly.

 

[SteelSmack]

To take the thread's favorite meme:
Not sure if posted, but:
Vintage NBA Draft Evaluations, it has a great one on Zydrunas.

 

[GaryBriggs]

I guess I understand the rationale of not wanting to bring too many youngsters into the fold, I just think it was a weird thing to go into the draft thinking - what if three guys fell to those spots that you projected out as top 20 talents? You would only want 3 of them because you are scared they would get together and sleep in instead of go to team breakfast?

Also, as I was going to sleep last night lamenting the fact that we missed out on MKG, and thinking how he is going to be the other superstar that comes out of this draft (along with Drummond and Davis), I would have been much happier if we had just traded our whole draft to get him. If that had happened, I would have been bitter at first, as I think those later picks have value, but there is nothing more valuable than a future star on a rookie contract.

Would have been much happier with MKG than Waiters and Zeller.

I do think that Zeller is a great fit for the Byron run and gun style offense, but he is going to get beat up in the league for a couple years on D until he (hopefully) adds bulk.

 

[GaryBriggs]

I think T-Rob is more Drew Gooden than Karl Malone. He has a tendency to disappear and make bad decisions. I am sure the awesome environment in Sacramento will help him really develop his game, work on his weaknesses, and become a star lol.

I also don't get the Wade comparisons while watching Waiters. I remember watching Wade at Marquette, and he was just a force to be reckoned with. A FORCE. I think that his freaky wingspan is the thing that makes him the superstar that he is. He has a couple inches at least in that category on Waiters, and I think that allows him to get shots off in traffic in the NBA. I do like that Waiters has the killer attitude thing, just hope he is able to harness it and turn it inward to drive himself to get better, rather than becoming Isiah Rider or something.

 

[petes999]

I was at first sick with this draft. Yet, I am now intrigued. The pairs of Irving with Waiters and TT with Zeller has he ability to switch positions for defensive matchups. People are low on Zeller for being small, yet I expect TT to take bigger challenge like Waiters. I wanted MKG for his defense, but oh well, what can we do. Zeller itch a jumper can open the lane for Waiters and Irving.

I liked the trade to 17. Even if Zeller isn't starter, he is nice scorer off the bench. And, we have 2 picks next year, maybe three for C, SF. Following year, get another backup combo guard and we have our young team. If, Zeller is Z, then we did very well and can win with him as center for years to come as they/centers don't break down quickly. So, age isn't issue.

I find it interesting hat Waiters went to Syracuse like McNabb... Both booed at draft, saying GM was insane. I do worry that he only played 24 minutes per game until I saw no one played more than 26 minutes on the team except Joseph. If there was issues with why he was benched this year Grant would know. Yet, conditioning will be issue.

What changed my mind is Byron. I don't trust Grant and stats research as Waiters may appear better than others due to being fresh. But with byron playing with greats in LA, he senses who will succeed. Hope he and Grant are right. Just interesting Byron is higher than grant on these kids. Grant wouldn't say how he graded beal, MKG, and waiters but hinted MKG/Waiters were above beal. Byron said waiters was #2. Then, grant said Zeller was just outside top 10, and Byron said he was top 10.

Lastly, interesting, beacher report has Cleveland as #13 in their post draft power rating (too high - more on potential) but said with FA SF, we could see CLE-MIA first round match up. I just don't see it this year as we have such a young team.
But, with Irving, waiters, 2013 1st pick at SF, TT, 2013 1st pck/Zeller at C with bench of V, Gee, combo guard watch out.

 

[mds]

Looking Forward and Back II think these two Drafts we undervalue the Talent and potential than we think. I mean Kyrie Is a given However If even two of our three other picks become or grow well together we got something and what makes this al better Is... TT. Zeller and Kyrie/Waiters they can and will one day start and play off eatch other. We get a stud SF in next years draft or trade or FA we are back for contending again. If not get a solid back up rotation And two Very good SF combo and Draft a center In Next years Draft and shore all aspects. In my mind the hardest thing to find and to be affective Is a back up PG This and last years draft puts the wheels In motion and there Is no looking back. I for one after watching video, reading, and think How well this team now compliments each other Is awesome. One more Draft and this team Is going to be deadly.

Why do i always struggle to understand your posts? Is it just the random capitals and laissez-faire approach to punctuation? I swear, everytime I read your posts I have to go back to the beginning like 4 times and then I usually give up. Maybe I'm just retarded.

 

[mds]

I think T-Rob is more Drew Gooden than Karl Malone. He has a tendency to disappear and make bad decisions. I am sure the awesome environment in Sacramento will help him really develop his game, work on his weaknesses, and become a star lol.

I also don't get the Wade comparisons while watching Waiters. I remember watching Wade at Marquette, and he was just a force to be reckoned with. A FORCE. I think that his freaky wingspan is the thing that makes him the superstar that he is. He has a couple inches at least in that category on Waiters, and I think that allows him to get shots off in traffic in the NBA. I do like that Waiters has the killer attitude thing, just hope he is able to harness it and turn it inward to drive himself to get better, rather than becoming Isiah Rider or something.

There's a lot more to Wade than long arms. He makes CRAZY shots all the time and overpowers people with strength and ability to take people off the dribble. Waiters has some of that.

 

[Cavs_Dynasty]

There's a lot more to Wade than long arms. He makes CRAZY shots all the time and overpowers people with strength and ability to take people off the dribble. Waiters has some of that.

Wade's got moves that he's been hitting since he was 12-13 possibly younger.The way he attacks whilst sometimes almost out of control, he always knows where the basket is and can make a quick move e.g. floater, running bank. It's something you're born with but watching limited Dion highlights he has that same knack for the hoop however I don't think he'll ever be as smooth as Wade. I am keen to see Kyrie and Dion attacking a P'n'R, especially if Dion can use a one dribble pull up or use his bulk to get to the hoop whether he be off or on ball.

Why does the new season have to be so far away!!!

 

[GaryBriggs]

Not saying wade is just long arms, i said that when you watched that dude play at Marquette, you KNEW you were watching something special. he was a beast. just a total beast. he looked unstoppable.

i think the wingspan is part of that, though.

Also not saying that dion waiters is going to suck, just saying I don't see the Wade comparison, based on watching him play.

 

[mds]

Wade's got moves that he's been hitting since he was 12-13 possibly younger.The way he attacks whilst sometimes almost out of control, he always knows where the basket is and can make a quick move e.g. floater, running bank. It's something you're born with but watching limited Dion highlights he has that same knack for the hoop however I don't think he'll ever be as smooth as Wade. I am keen to see Kyrie and Dion attacking a P'n'R, especially if Dion can use a one dribble pull up or use his bulk to get to the hoop whether he be off or on ball.

Why does the new season have to be so far away!!!

I'm not saying Waiters is Wade, I'm just saying the difference isn't arm length.

 

[natedagg]

I like where this is headed. 7' skilled bigs are hard to find and take a couple of years to develop. Hopefully Cavs fans will cut Zeller some slack as he develops. His development (read: not being great next year) will help us achieve another high pick. Same with TT too: we will see marked improvement, but he shouldn't hit his stride for another year or so...

Waiters is going to beast from the get-go. Our tempo will be fast and we should see success when opponents are looking ahead or off of back-to-back games. With AV, we will pivot at the trade deadline based on where we stand. I anticipate a trade then, as our record won't be hot. Regardless of how good our starting lineup is, our depth is horrible.

Then we stack up new draft picks and 1 FA stud, and all of a sudden, we are in the hunt. Cleveland will know competitive basketball before you know it!

 

[Cavs_Dynasty]

I'm not saying Waiters is Wade, I'm just saying the difference isn't arm length.

I agree, Wade's a freak but if Dion can use his size and shape similarly to Wade he will carve out a pretty solid career as #2 or #3 option on a team.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Waiters is less athletic as Wade. I think people forget exactly athletic Wade is/was. Same with Westbrook, don't see him doing things that Russ can do.

I do see explosive offense by attacking the rim, sometimes through people, but I don't think he's an insane athlete like those two. He does remind me of Ty Evans though, or Rodney Stuckey. If his jumper is better than those two, then he'll be a star.