2014 NFL Draft Thread

[Binkster]

Have you ever seen Russell Wilson play? What the hell are you talking about?

Russell Wilson is the exception, not the rule. Do not lose sight of that.

For those saying that Tebow is a lazy comparison for Manziel (it is), Russell Wilson is as equally lazy, if not more so.

 

[Surge]

We need a franchise QB. Sell all the picks to get the guy you want. Personally, I want Teddy. He'd be the only one I'd want to move up for.

 

[MD13]

We need a franchise QB. Sell all the picks to get the guy you want. Personally, I want Teddy. He'd be the only one I'd want to move up for.

You know it's crazy season in the NFL when Daniel Jeremiah criticizes Bridgewater for not having a "wow factor". I'll take effective workmanlike surgical precision over flash any day of the week, thank you very much.

 

[Phills14]

Have you ever seen Russell Wilson play? What the hell are you talking about?

I absolutely have seen Wilson play, have you? Tell me how he looks from the pocket. How many of his throws does he make from there vs rolling out or getting into space? If you ask Wilson to be a pocket passer then he will fail. He is very successful in the offense he runs. What is that offense? 55% run and 45% pass. They were 2nd in the league in rushing attempts and 31st in the league in pass attempts (only behind SF btw). They know they can't be a drop back passing team because of the limitations they have at QB. So what do they do, they run run run and when they pass, they move Wilson around.

My point is this, as Wilson and Kaepernick age and/or suffer lower extremity injuries their long term effectiveness will decline rapidly because they rely so heavily on their scrambling abilities. They are excellent players today however; they are a short term answer. You will be much more consistent long term with a drop back passer. Someone who reads defenses and can make throws down the field instead of relying on quick reads and qb runs.

 

[Phills14]

Russell Wilson is the exception, not the rule. Do not lose sight of that.

For those saying that Tebow is a lazy comparison for Manziel (it is), Russell Wilson is as equally lazy, if not more so.

Not sure who said Manziel is Russell Wilson. I certainly don't make that comparison. Height is similar but that's pretty much where the comparison ends.

 

[AZ_]

I absolutely have seen Wilson play, have you? Tell me how he looks from the pocket. How many of his throws does he make from there vs rolling out or getting into space? If you ask Wilson to be a pocket passer then he will fail. He is very successful in the offense he runs. What is that offense? 55% run and 45% pass. They were 2nd in the league in rushing attempts and 31st in the league in pass attempts (only behind SF btw). They know they can't be a drop back passing team because of the limitations they have at QB. So what do they do, they run run run and when they pass, they move Wilson around.

My point is this, as Wilson and Kaepernick age and/or suffer lower extremity injuries their long term effectiveness will decline rapidly because they rely so heavily on their scrambling abilities. They are excellent players today however; they are a short term answer. You will be much more consistent long term with a drop back passer. Someone who reads defenses and can make throws down the field instead of relying on quick reads and qb runs.

Keeping Wilson and Kaepernick in the pocket is like getting a hooker and asking her to give you a hand job. Not sure why them getting out of the pocket and making sound, fundamental throws with consistency and accuracy is a bad thing.

As they grow and mature they'll stay in the pocket more and gain effectiveness, just as many mobile QBs do over time.

 

[Phills14]

Keeping Wilson and Kaepernick in the pocket is like getting a hooker and asking her to give you a hand job. Not sure why them getting out of the pocket and making sound, fundamental throws with consistency and accuracy is a bad thing.

As they grow and mature they'll stay in the pocket more and gain effectiveness, just as many mobile QBs do over time.

You are missing my point.

I agree, both teams are handling them the way they should at this time and they are very successful. However; as they grow older that explosion is no longer there. They have to develop their pocket passing skills to stay in the league. Whereas a pocket passer from the start, who has the same injury risk as those guys, can rely on his arm, his head, his eyes; traits that last a whole lot longer than legs in the NFL.

Wilson is at a major disadvantage due to his height. That won't change. He could read a defense and mentally do everything you want a pocket passer to do. Physically, I don't think he's capable of being reliable doing that.

Kaepernick is running a very simplistic offense in terms of passing. The question is, can he handle multiple reads from the pocket. Right now he's asked to look at the primary and if that guy isn't open, just throw it to frickin Boldin. Can he develop? Sure he could but he's never been asked to do that during his football career. To ask him now at the highest level seems tough.

 

[Phills14]

All this rounds back to the draft. I'd rather have a QB that has more traditional QB traits than this new hybrid QB who runs and passes. I don't mind the running, but he has to be a passer first. Bridgewater is a great example. He's a super athletic guy and could very easily be a running QB. However; he stays in the pocket, waits for the plays to develop and stays a passer as long as he can. Manziel is the opposite. He gets happy feet and has to scramble to stay alive. Once he slows down what does he have to fall back on? Great Decision Making? Above Average Arm Talent? Physical Stature? No Moxie and Luck.

 

[AZ_]

You are missing my point.

I agree, both teams are handling them the way they should at this time and they are very successful. However; as they grow older that explosion is no longer there. They have to develop their pocket passing skills to stay in the league. Whereas a pocket passer from the start, who has the same injury risk as those guys, can rely on his arm, his head, his eyes; traits that last a whole lot longer than legs in the NFL.

Wilson is at a major disadvantage due to his height. That won't change. He could read a defense and mentally do everything you want a pocket passer to do. Physically, I don't think he's capable of being reliable doing that.

Kaepernick is running a very simplistic offense in terms of passing. The question is, can he handle multiple reads from the pocket. Right now he's asked to look at the primary and if that guy isn't open, just throw it to frickin Boldin. Can he develop? Sure he could but he's never been asked to do that during his football career. To ask him now at the highest level seems tough.

I hear you.

Though I think that's true of any QB in this league, but given the added bonus of them running the football, they have more time than most to develop such skills. Even as they slow it down a bit, guys like Kaep and Wilson are forever going to be mobile, it's just the responsibility of the organization to better prepare for the injury risk and potential short life span of the mobile QB in this league.

Like, say, backing up Kaepernick with Colt McCoy. Although Gil Brandt loves him, so I'm sold. :chuckles:

 

[D-WAIT3]

Marc Sessler ‏@MarcSesslerNFL 1m
Josh Gordon on Manziel: 'For the media market and a city like Cleveland, which is real small, I think it would be huge to have him.'

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

Keeping Wilson and Kaepernick in the pocket is like getting a hooker and asking her to give you a hand job. Not sure why them getting out of the pocket and making sound, fundamental throws with consistency and accuracy is a bad thing.

As they grow and mature they'll stay in the pocket more and gain effectiveness, just as many mobile QBs do over time.

Wait.














I'm not supposed to ask hookers for handies?

 

[AZ_]

Wait.

I'm not supposed to ask hookers for handies?

I was working under the assumption you'd be getting, not giving.

 

[steveo]

Says the guy who compared AJ McCarron to Peyton Manning and Tom Brady based on his winning percentage at Alabama.

Sorry, I hate Manziel too...Just wanted to be a dick, because they most likely won't draft either QB.

I compared AJ to other top QBs because his TD:INT ratio and Int% ARE THE BEST EVER FOR ANYONE EVER IN COLLEGE.

Absolutely no need for the rest of this..

-MoFlo

 

[DJTJ]

 

[AZ_]

Actually, you dyslexic retard. I compared AJ to other top QBs because his TD:INT ratio and Int% ARE THE FUCKING BEST EVER FOR ANYONE EVER IN COLLEGE.

Do you do anything besides post your fucking retarded million posts a day? Do you read others posts before you fucking mouth off with your retarded antics ?

FUCK HOW CAN I IGNORE YOU ON THIS BOARD? I seriously am gonna fucking punch you at the next RCF meeting. TRUTH.

Either way, that's pretty dumb.

But I'd calm down, it's not that important.

For the record, I only post roughly six times a day...based on my calculations.