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I'mWithDan
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I really don't see how OSU gets in unless Washington loses again. Unless they are just going to ignore conference champions? Bama and either Clemson / UL will be locks. I'd be shocked if 11-2 Wiscy or 11-2 PSU were left out.
What you guys are proposing is leaving out a 1 loss 12-1 power 5 conference champion or leaving out the conference champion of the conference OSU played in? While they didn't even make it to the championship game? That seems like a stretch to me.
I'm sure a lot of the OSU fans laughed when Michigan lost but it really killed their chances at the playoff. They now need help from someone to get in IMO.
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Yes, they'll absolutely leave out a two loss Wisconsin or Penn State over a 1-loss Ohio State
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I'd like to hear reasoning as to why Wisconsin should make it over us, other than being a "conference champion" ? They are the 4th best team in the Big 10 standings...
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Only the uneducated fans were the ones who laughed when Michigan lost.
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Ugh, huh? A 2 loss Wisconsin gets in over a 1 loss Ohio State when Ohio State not only beat them, but did so IN Wisconsin?
If that's the case, then entirely too much is being placed on being conference champion.
This is how silly this thing is. Lets reward Wisconsin for losing at home to Ohio State (and also having another loss in conference) all because they play in the weaker division? Are we trying to get the four best teams or not? Because taking Wisconsin over Ohio State would be a clear "no" to that question.
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The Buckeye fans afraid of their own shadow are the ones cowering when Michigan lost.
They're either 2nd or 3rd in today's CFP rankings, and a two-loss Penn State or Wisconsin isn't jumping them.
Either of those two teams would have to jump Washington, Clemson, Louisville and the OSU/Xichigan winner to get in...and it's just not happening.
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“I see it like this: If we win out all our games, Big Ten Championship or not, you’re not gonna put us in? Like you’re going to leave Ohio State out?” 
Barrett said per Cleveland.com. “That’s how I see it. That doesn’t make sense to me.”
“I know Big Ten Championships and conference championships is a major thing, but then you’re talking about one of those two-loss teams and things like that. It’s something totally different,” Barrett said.
“I think if we won our games, that’s the only thing we can control, the only thing we can handle,” Barrett said. “And (the playoff) is left to somebody else, people on the committee and things like that. At the end of the day, it’s one of those things of, ‘We can’t control that.’ We control winning games, and if we do that, I feel like we’ve done our part.”
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Especially with that 1st comment, he better lead his team and win both of these games.
Barrett said per Cleveland.com. “That’s how I see it. That doesn’t make sense to me.”“I know Big Ten Championships and conference championships is a major thing, but then you’re talking about one of those two-loss teams and things like that. It’s something totally different,” Barrett said.
“I think if we won our games, that’s the only thing we can control, the only thing we can handle,” Barrett said. “And (the playoff) is left to somebody else, people on the committee and things like that. At the end of the day, it’s one of those things of, ‘We can’t control that.’ We control winning games, and if we do that, I feel like we’ve done our part.”
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Especially with that 1st comment, he better lead his team and win both of these games.
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Not at all.
Michigan losing makes our path more difficult, there's really no denying that.
This is an unprecedented circumstance and you are assuming the committee will do something they've never done.
This doesn't mean some are afraid of their own shadow. But given what we've seen there's really just no reason to believe, without a doubt, that the committee would put Ohio State in the playoff if Bama, Clemson, PSU, Washington all win out. I'd like to think so, I really would. But I can't find too many reasons to have that kind of blind faith in this committee.
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I wasn't cowering, but there's a difference between wanting to be in the position to control your own destiny and the committee deciding your fate.
Not to mention, as a fan of the Buckeyes and a fan of CFB, I want to see my team play an extra game for a big ten title rather than watch PSU/Wisconsin. I live 2.5 hours from Indy and was really hoping to go to that game if the Buckeyes made it. Also, assuming Penn State goes to the B1G CCG, that would make 4 out of 6 years that the Buckeyes wouldn't be in that game. It's just frustrating considering 3 of those years they've been arguably the better team and most talented team in the conference.
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If psu or Wisc had only one loss, then yes I could see them jumping OSU if we win out. With both teams having 2 losses it still is hard.
If PSU wins, there best wins,
home vs OSU
B10 Champ over Wisc
Iowa
Indiana
VS OSU if we win best wins
@ Oklahoma (top 10 win)
@ Wisc (top 10)
Home vs Neb (top 15)
Home vs Michigan (top 10)
Not even close you could argue PSU deserves over OSU.
Wisc wins out it is harder as they have better wins then PSU
LSU
Nebraska
PSU
But we beat them on the road. Advantage OSU.
If PSU wins, there best wins,
home vs OSU
B10 Champ over Wisc
Iowa
Indiana
VS OSU if we win best wins
@ Oklahoma (top 10 win)
@ Wisc (top 10)
Home vs Neb (top 15)
Home vs Michigan (top 10)
Not even close you could argue PSU deserves over OSU.
Wisc wins out it is harder as they have better wins then PSU
LSU
Nebraska
PSU
But we beat them on the road. Advantage OSU.
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One thing that I have been thinking about
Last year, if the BT had scrapped the division winner format for the B1G Championship Game, OSU still doesn't get in. Iowa is #1 and OSU is tied at #2, and loses the tie-breaker to MSU.
This year, assuming OSU wins out, they are tied #1 with PSU. Obviously, they fall to #2 via tiebreaker, but they'd still be in the game.
I wonder if that affects the committee at all.
Last year, if the BT had scrapped the division winner format for the B1G Championship Game, OSU still doesn't get in. Iowa is #1 and OSU is tied at #2, and loses the tie-breaker to MSU.
This year, assuming OSU wins out, they are tied #1 with PSU. Obviously, they fall to #2 via tiebreaker, but they'd still be in the game.
I wonder if that affects the committee at all.
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One thing we can all agree on is that no one really knows what is going to happen.
What does the committee truly look for when deciding teams? The small sample size we have tells us that yes, conference championship victories are important. Overall record and strength of schedule are also key.
We look much better than both Wisconsin and Penn St. in two of those three potential determinants.
If this committee is supposed to merely determine the best teams, you'd think they would've learned from last year when MSU got annihilated by Bama. The problem is, with only two playoffs ever taken place, there's no realistic way to determine what they will do.
If there is any under the surface pressure on the committee (which i am sure there is) to pick not only the best teams but also the best match ups, from a money / ratings standpoint, Ohio State will always have an advantage.
Tonight should be interesting regardless. If they speak highly of us, i'd start to feel a bit better.
What does the committee truly look for when deciding teams? The small sample size we have tells us that yes, conference championship victories are important. Overall record and strength of schedule are also key.
We look much better than both Wisconsin and Penn St. in two of those three potential determinants.
If this committee is supposed to merely determine the best teams, you'd think they would've learned from last year when MSU got annihilated by Bama. The problem is, with only two playoffs ever taken place, there's no realistic way to determine what they will do.
If there is any under the surface pressure on the committee (which i am sure there is) to pick not only the best teams but also the best match ups, from a money / ratings standpoint, Ohio State will always have an advantage.
Tonight should be interesting regardless. If they speak highly of us, i'd start to feel a bit better.
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I honestly think it is the opposite. I think the case is a lot easier if it is Wisconsin, because OSU beat them. The case is harder if it is PSU, even if their resume is weaker.
I just don't know how you reconcile picking OSU over the conference champ, who also beat them head to head. To me, that seems like a much harder sell.
Even with Wisconsin having a better resume than PSU, I can see how the committee can't get past them losing at home to OSU. If you are looking for something to break a tie, it is just tough for me to envision head to head not being the strongest data point. I guess we'll see.
I don't know, it seems tough in both scenarios but Wisconsin winning makes it easier on the committee to sneak OSU in. If PSU beat OSU and wins the conference, I just don't see how you leave them out in favor of OSU. At that point, just get rid of all conference championships and extend the playoff to 8.