2017 College Football Season/Playoff Thread

[col63onel]

Embarrassing that we didn't jump Clemson. Whatever.

Based on that poll, Clemson lost to #1 by 18 we lost to #3 by 15. Both teams have an ugly, ugly loss (Clemson lost to 4-8 Syracuse...4-8!).

Clemson beat 10, 13, 23 and 24 by 64.

We beat 7,8,12 and 17 by 69.

No idea how Clemson is ahead of us.

 

[Triple-S]

I still feel we got cheated out of seeing a real legitimate national championship this year.

I realize OSU took advantage of this one year, but at the same time? I'm of the belief that they should not have been in as well in this format.

It feels like at this point sans automatic qualifiers? You may as well just go back to the old pre-BCS system.

What's frustrating is that this is the 2ND time Alabama has finished 3rd place in their conference and then was crowned as National Champions. Did you know they screwed the 2011 Oklahoma State out of playing for the title?

 

[TheLand1287]

I still feel we got cheated out of seeing a real legitimate national championship this year.

I realize OSU took advantage of this one year, but at the same time? I'm of the belief that they should not have been in as well in this format.

It feels like at this point sans automatic qualifiers? You may as well just go back to the old pre-BCS system.

What's frustrating is that this is the 2ND time Alabama has finished 3rd place in their conference and then was crowned as National Champions. Did you know they screwed the 2011 Oklahoma State out of playing for the title?

Truthfully, Alabama is very fortunate to have the titles they do this past decade.

2009 season - Colt McCoy gets hurt in the 1st quarter of the National Title game. Bama wins title.

2010 season - Auburn beats Oregon

2011 season - Oklahoma State loses a random Friday night game at Iowa State coming off of a school tragedy when their women's basketball team plane crashed just hours before. Alabama, finishing 3rd in their conference, gets the #2 spot over Oklahoma State and beats LSU in a rematch for title.

2012 season - OSU and Notre Dame finish undefeated and would've met for the National Title in Urban's first year, but the NCAA fucks us over with a 1 year bowl ban. Alabama gets the #2 spot and crushes Notre Dame for the title.

2013 season - FSU beats Auburn

2014 season - OSU beats Oregon

2015 season - Bama beats Clemson (no debate here, Bama won this title fair and square)

2016 season - Clemson beats Bama

2017 season - Well, we all know what happened leading up to the game, and then in the game itself last night. Zero reason that Alabama should've won that game, and very arguable that they should've even been there to begin with.

This SEC playing an 8 conference game schedule + an FCS cupcake is complete garbage while every other Power 5 team plays 9 conference games. If the Big Ten played 8 conference games then OSU is likely playing Youngstown State or some shit rather than Iowa, and is in the playoff while Alabama is playing USC in the Cotton Bowl.

Ultimately, it is what it is. Nothing you can do about it. The NCAA and SEC are both frauds. I love college football more than any sport, but it's really sad that more years than not it's highly controversial who the national champion even is... even in the playoff era, as the playing field is clearly not even for all conferences.

 

[Robin]

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSSports/status/950599263880441856/photo/1

 

[Triple-S]

Ultimately, it is what it is. Nothing you can do about it. The NCAA and SEC are both frauds. I love college football more than any sport, but it's really sad that more years than not it's highly controversial who the national champion even is... even in the playoff era, as the playing field is clearly not even for all conferences.

I really wish I could do some basic things to save the sport.

One of which? I'd set up a "G-League" type set up for players coming out of high school that would pay players and allow them to earn some cash. I believe the SEC and programs like Southern Cal will in fact, take advantage of players who don't really have academics in mind. This way you cut out a lot of corruption that would occur at the FBS level and make it much like it's FCS, etc counterparts.

Plus you stop it with the creeps who are obsessed with the life choices a 17 year old makes.

But going back to it...since 1998 on? they've really had this set up to almost all but guarantee an SEC team will stumble into the title game and by default win the national title. It's just not a good set up.

Frankly it's really hurting college programs in other parts of the country. Big picture? We used to programs like Miami, Syracuse, Penn State, Pitt, and West Virginia contending for titles from the east. Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Nebraska coming from the midwest. USC, Washington, BYU, Colorado from the west, Texas, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma from the southwest.

But that's all moot. They've effectively ensured via the actions of ESPN and CFP/BCS that they're irrelevant. Frankly from a marketing standpoint? That's stupid. You rendering about 80 to 90 percent of the United State CFB programs completely worthless as a result of this horseshit.

 

[Tlyons]

This SEC playing an 8 conference game schedule + an FCS cupcake is complete garbage while every other Power 5 team plays 9 conference games. If the Big Ten played 8 conference games then OSU is likely playing Youngstown State or some shit rather than Iowa, and is in the playoff while Alabama is playing USC in the Cotton Bowl.

Just wanted to add that that FCS game is at the end of the season as well.

Straight up BS

 

[Ohio]

The number of conference games needs to be standardized across the sport. Needs to.

And get the fuck rid of divisions.

 

[Triple-S]

The number of conference games needs to be standardized across the sport. Needs to.

And get the fuck rid of divisions.

In the old days? It used to be kinda simple. You won your conference? You got the automatic bid to a Bowl game.

The Big 8 got the Orange, The SEC got the Sugar, The SWC got the Cotton, WAC got the Holiday and the Big Ten, Pac 10 OF COURSE got the Rose Bowl.

And it was actually kinda cool because you'd throw the best independent or non-conference champs at some good team to see if they were worthy of being national champs. Hell OHIO STATE got involved in that scenario in 1996, and they actually took a share of the title away from Arizona State in the Rose Bowl.

I don't understand why these idiots have rendered that completely meaningless. Going undefeated is an accomplishment. Winning your conference is an acomplishment.

If this 'Bama team and the one from 2011 both had to play by the old rules? Guess what? They're not national champions. They're probably playing Oklahoma State in 2011 in the Orange and Oklahoma in 2017 in the Orange. Both times playing that aforementioned Ohio State role of that nagging regular season lose costing them a shot at the national championship.

 

[Ohio]

And it was actually kinda cool because you'd throw the best independent or non-conference champs at some good team to see if they were worthy of being national champs. Hell OHIO STATE got involved in that scenario in 1996, and they actually took a share of the title away from Arizona State in the Rose Bowl.

Ohio State won the Big Ten in '96

Speaking of that, apparently ESPN showed this in some sort of reel before last night's game started:

View: https://twitter.com/ramzy/status/950531566542999552


...Should we claim '96 now?

 

[Triple-S]

Ohio State won the Big Ten in '96

Speaking of that, apparently ESPN showed this in some sort of reel before last night's game started:

View: https://twitter.com/ramzy/status/950531566542999552


...Should we claim '96 now?

They did, I should have clarified that even other conference champions

They PROBABLY would have been National Champions had they not fucked up against Michigan...

The only thing they could do was play spoilers and win the Rose Bowl.

 

[OptimusPrime]

...Should we claim '96 now?

That team probably wins the title if they had a playoff back then. Cooper had a few teams that were more talented than anyone, but he kept choking against UM.

 

[Ohio]

That team probably wins the title if they had a playoff back then. Cooper had a few teams that were more talented than anyone, but he kept choking against UM.

They did, I should have clarified that even other conference champions

They PROBABLY would have been National Champions had they not fucked up against Michigan...

The only thing they could do was play spoilers and win the Rose Bowl.

Yeah, some of those 90s teams were some of the best teams in OSU history.

96 and 98 in particular stand out. Those teams were amazing.

 

[col63onel]

Yeah, some of those 90s teams were some of the best teams in OSU history.

96 and 98 in particular stand out. Those teams were amazing.

95-98 was about as good as any 4 year run that Woody, Tress or Urb ever had, especially when you consider how many pro players they developed. Problem is they were 1-3 vs Michigan and 2-2 in bowls. They lost a total - total - of 2 other games those 4 years. 1 was @ PSU in 97 when PSU was ranked #1. The other was that inexplicable home loss to MSU in 98. The 98 loss to MSU might be more confusing than this year's Iowa loss, tbh.

 

[Wulfgar1224]

95-98 was about as good as any 4 year run that Woody, Tress or Urb ever had, especially when you consider how many pro players they developed. Problem is they were 1-3 vs Michigan and 2-2 in bowls. They lost a total - total - of 2 other games those 4 years. 1 was @ PSU in 97 when PSU was ranked #1. The other was that inexplicable home loss to MSU in 98. The 98 loss to MSU might be more confusing than this year's Iowa loss, tbh.

I remember that MSU loss well. It truly was inexplicable because it was at home to a mediocre team. OSU was winning that game by 2 TD's if I remember right. It changed when an MSU punt hit one of our players on the back of the leg. Sparty recovered it, scored, and for whatever reason OSU just wasn't the same after that. I had some miserable Turkey Days back then since OSU player UM before Thanksgiving back in those days.

 

[Triple-S]

http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/a...tory-mayhem-and-more-reasons-love-fcs-playoff

Doing some research on how the FCS playoffs worked since the whole "split" with FBS happened in 78

From 78-80? 4 teams It was held at campus sites for the first round, and a neutral site for the 2nd round
80-81? 8 teams. Similar set up.
82-85 12 teams, with 4 teams getting a bye.
86-09 16 teams, no bye
10-present? 24 teams with 8 teams getting a bye.

I think the 8 or 16 teams sound the most fun especially with the campus site options. Imagine forcing an at-large SEC team to play OSU in the Shoe in the middle of December.