2018 Cleveland Browns Off Season Thread

[el_capitan]

I like the idea of trading #4 with Buffalo. However, my price tag would be outrageous. 12, 22, 53, and a future 1st. Perhaps settle on a future 2nd instead of a future 1st if they throw 65 back in.

However, if you think you can get #18 in a Seattle deal while giving up 33/64 and a late rounder, that also makes sense.

Perhaps, you end up doing both deals and walk away with:

1, 12, 18, 22, 35, 53 and a future 1st.

Then, I package 18 and 22 to get to 7-8 to take Denzel Ward--the price won't be as high with all QB's off the board and 18/22 is more than enough value to get you to 7 or 8.

End up drafting at 1, 7 (Ward), 12, 35, 53 in the first two rounds with a future 1st to boot.

We would have effectively ended up turning 1, 4, 33, 35, 64 into 1, 7, 12, 35, 53 + a 2019 1st round pick. And I think it's totally doable, which is the most fascinating part of it all.

It's a good idea in theory, but I doubt Seattle is trading us 18 until their pick actually comes up. So we wouldn't be able to trade up to 7-8 for Ward, because that will have already happened.

 

[bronko]

What exactly do you disagree with @bronko ?

We could have lost enough games without trying to be bad. Instead of letting all the expiring contracts go, we could have kept a right tackle,free safety, and still have great cap room and a strong draft. We could have put one veteran in the qb room last year, made the team more (slightly) competitive, helped our young qb's progress, and still not have significantly impacted our current draft status. I think Sashi cost us at least a year in the rebuild. We would have less holes to fill, so even if we were drafting 3rd and 8th this year, we'd have been in better shape as a team. Last year was a disgrace and totally unnecessary.

 

[BMAN]

We could have lost enough games without trying to be bad. Instead of letting all the expiring contracts go, we could have kept a right tackle,free safety, and still have great cap room and a strong draft. We could have put one veteran in the qb room last year, made the team more (slightly) competitive, helped our young qb's progress, and still not have significantly impacted our current draft status. I think Sashi cost us at least a year in the rebuild. We would have less holes to fill, so even if we were drafting 3rd and 8th this year, we'd have been in better shape as a team. Last year was a disgrace and totally unnecessary.

And last year was all on Sashi right?

So you’re telling me if we were drafting at number 3 and didnt have the choice at the best quarterback in the draft we would be better off? Man get the fuck out of here. I’m sick of the treadmill of going 4-12 and missing out on the best QB every year. We needed a total tear down. You know what’s going to set them back? Keeping god awful Hue Jackson as a head coach.

 

[bronko]

And last year was all on Sashi right?

So you’re telling me if we were drafting at number 3 and didnt have the choice at the best quarterback in the draft we would be better off? Man get the fuck out of here. I’m sick of the treadmill of going 4-12 and missing out on the best QB every year. We needed a total tear down. You know what’s going to set them back? Keeping god awful Hue Jackson as a head coach.

No, its more on Haslam for putting the front office together that he did. Its management's god awful team that they put together that enabled Hue to keep his job. And not just the most recent regime. If Jimmy hadn't kept cycling through head coaches, he wouldn't have to keep a 1-31 coach to show the rest of the league that the team isn't totally reckless and incompetent. Oh, the irony. Teams shouldn't require consecutive #1 picks in the draft to improve, some more intelligent decision making, and we wouldn't have been the disaster that we were. But, its all water under the bridge, we are what we are. I expect the current front office to use their experience to get us off this shitty treadmill and I think its a cop out to think the only way the Browns could regain respectability was 4-44.

 

[BMAN]

No, its more on Haslam for putting the front office together that he did. Its management's god awful team that they put together that enabled Hue to keep his job. And not just the most recent regime. If Jimmy hadn't kept cycling through head coaches, he wouldn't have to keep a 1-31 coach to show the rest of the league that the team isn't totally reckless and incompetent. Oh, the irony. Teams shouldn't require consecutive #1 picks in the draft to improve, some more intelligent decision making, and we wouldn't have been the disaster that we were. But, its all water under the bridge, we are what we are. I expect the current front office to use their experience to get us off this shitty treadmill and I think its a cop out to think the only way the Browns could regain respectability was 4-44.

The head coach that had an experienced QB in the room his first year still went 1-15. But it’s all Sashi man. Keep thinking that.

 

[bronko]

The head coach that had an experienced QB in the room his first year still went 1-15. But it’s all Sashi man. Keep thinking that.

How long did we have that QB?

 

[bronko]

And its not all Sashi. Its Jimmy and his historically bad decision making that got us here. I'm glad we have the picks and cap space we do, but I believe it was unnecessary to go 4-44 to have a chance to improve the team. I'd be seriously pissed if I was a season ticket holder.

 

[BMAN]

How long did we have that QB?

So now injuries are on him too? Actually we had two experienced QBs in the room. One was hand picked by Hue Jackson. Or was it two? (Shitty Kessler).

Not to mention we upgraded the line and we still regressed (if that was possible)

 

[Jack Brickman]

And last year was all on Sashi right?

So you’re telling me if we were drafting at number 3 and didnt have the choice at the best quarterback in the draft we would be better off? Man get the fuck out of here. I’m sick of the treadmill of going 4-12 and missing out on the best QB every year. We needed a total tear down. You know what’s going to set them back? Keeping god awful Hue Jackson as a head coach.

The team was clearly talented enough to win more than zero games last year. When you lose a lot of competitive games, it usually comes down to coaching. When you get blown out all the time, it usually comes down to talent. We were competitive in most of the games the entire season, so it's not hard to figure out who was most at fault for dropping a goose egg on the season.

Two years ago you can totally blame the talent for 1-15, because we got waxed week in and week out. That just wasn't the case last year. We had the talent to win, but our execution was fucking godawful.

 

[CBBI]

This is last thing but I’m going to say about Sashi Brown for the foreseeable future.

He built a last place roster intentionally. The complete teardown upon taking over after the 2015 season. The multiple trade downs in the draft. The refusal to add veteran players at multiple position groups, instead opting to load the roster with draft picks and UDFAs.

2016 and 2017 were as close to the 76ers Process years as anything we’ve ever seen in the NFL. There was obviously no real desire to win.

All that said... no one, not Jimmy Haslam, not Hue Jackson and not the fans should have been surprised or dismayed by the plan. Sashi and DePodesta were both extremely up front about what they were planning on doing and even went out of their way to discuss how easy it would be to get scared off in the now infamous rollercoaster example.

If you think Sashi should have been fired for intentionally partaking an NFL team on a Process tanking plan - so be it.

If you think Sashi should have been fired for botching the Carson Wentz evaluation and willingly passing on a franchise QB - so be it.

If you think Sashi should have been fired for the AJ McCarron fiasco - either intentionally sabatoging a deal he didn’t want to do, or messing up paperwork on a deal he did want to do - so be it.

With every bit of that said, the Browns of the last two seasons were NOT a 1-31 roster talent wise. They should have won at least 7 or 8 games over the last two years. Hue Jackson is either the unluckiest coach in the history of professional football, or he dramatically underachieved these last two years.

Don’t get me wrong. If the Browns had gone 3-13 and then 4-12 these last two years, they’d still have finished in dead last. Is that acceptable? There isn’t much difference between 7 wins in two years v. 1 win in two years in a practical sense. But optically? Hue Jackson’s coaching malpractice and underachieving is what made this team into the pile of shit it has been.

 

[Phills14]

Well said @CBBI

 

[sportscoach]

The biggest question mark to me at the end of the day, did Jackson do badly on purpose to get rid of Sashi as the GM? I know by the time year two came around and the season started those two weren't even on talking terms really anymore. One of them had to go at the end of the day and the FO decided since Dorsey was available and Haslem has more faith in Jackson than Sashi, he would get rid of the young GM rather than the coach. Now we just have to see how well this year plays out but I have a hunch Jackson didn't like Sashi and was trying to prove to Haslems that Sashi was wrong and this is why. Now he is on the hot seat and for whatever reason he will win games since he has a GM who will allow him to keep veterans/may give him more say in the final team. I think the cutting of guys like Haden was the final straw for Jackson last season. That is just my hunch though, but something tells me that there was some petty things going on behind the scenes in that FO.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

The biggest question mark to me at the end of the day, did Jackson do badly on purpose to get rid of Sashi as the GM? I know by the time year two came around and the season started those two weren't even on talking terms really anymore. One of them had to go at the end of the day and the FO decided since Dorsey was available and Haslem has more faith in Jackson than Sashi, he would get rid of the young GM rather than the coach. Now we just have to see how well this year plays out but I have a hunch Jackson didn't like Sashi and was trying to prove to Haslems that Sashi was wrong and this is why. Now he is on the hot seat and for whatever reason he will win games since he has a GM who will allow him to keep veterans/may give him more say in the final team. I think the cutting of guys like Haden was the final straw for Jackson last season. That is just my hunch though, but something tells me that there was some petty things going on behind the scenes in that FO.

I mean, if that is true, then it's almost even worse than him just being a really shitty coach.

Don't like the people you're working with? Lose on purpose and blame them to get them out of the building!

 

[Hurl Bruce]

Almost fell for the April Fools Day "Josh Gordon busted for DUI" text.

 

[Triplethreat]

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Lol watch them come up and snag Rosen.