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2019 Browns Off Season/Roster Discussion

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Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
From what I can tell, the Browns right now are already at about 195 million for 2019. The cap is projected to be 190 million. This is before our draft picks.

The Browns still have rollover cap--but to blow that all in one year would be pants-on-head level stupid.
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I guess it depends how you look at it. We have 2 more years on the current CBA, this year and next. For sure the rollover wont matter after that because we will have either a new CBA or a no cap year like last time. Now last time a few teams got in trouble for going crazy in the no cap year, so I doubt that will happen.

So I have no insight into the new CBA and I doubt even Dorsey or Haslam does at this point either. But the rollover is use it or lose it and we had a ton, using a bit more would actually be smart as long as you keep cap flexibility beyond 2 years, ie limit the guaranteed money other than the next 2 years.

I think some the reporters talking about the rollover cap and be careful when using it are short sighted as the current CBA has been in place since 2011 and the idea of rollover cap was important especially since there was no end around the corner of the current CBA years ago.

I think Dorsey is going for it now because he really has the pieces and the cap room that soon will be gone once a new CBA is negotiated. Also the only big free agent contract Dorsey has given out was Sheldon Richardson, everything else has been trades that where financially responsible like trading an expensive guard for a semi expensive edge, and getting a long term signed Odell when most of the guaranteed money is already paid by NYG.
 
Right now the Browns are at about ~$32M in cap space with about $5M additionally needed to sign their current draft pool..

At this point, even though they have $32M technically still to spend, I'd hope to see them continue being efficient with their money and roll over as much as they can with the pending extensions for Randall and Schobert, and even potentially Tretter next year...

If they continue operating around the edges like they have with the Armstrong, Taylor, Harris, they should be good to go moving forward.. Really the only big money commitments they've made this off-season has been to Beckham, OBJ, Vernon and Richardson, which is the type of players you're okay with doing that..

I know there has been concern with Dorsey's cap management, but thus far he's spent where he's needed to spend and allowed himself outs along the way... He hasn't made any true commitments beyond two years, which allows for flexibility from year to year...

Vernon is essentially on a two-year deal, Richardson has an out after year two; he can get off of big signings from last year in Hubbard and Carrie, or even Smith and Mitchell if he really wanted to; he didn't go above and beyond to retain Robinson...

I mean I have to say he's done a pretty good job on how he's utilized the cap space and the shape it looks like it'll be in moving forward..

For 2020, it looks like they'll have ~$26M before they rollover any cap from this year, before they sign anyone else past this year and before they cut anyone after the season...

My guess is Kirksey is as good as gone at his price tag, bringing that total closer to ~$33M pre-rollover.. He can also free up to another ~$15M by releasing Hubbard ($5M), Carrie ($6M) and Duke ($3.5)...

Moral of the story: Dorsey has spent well, spent wisely and they should be in good cap shape moving forward, with most of our offense locked up for next 3-4 years and our defense being the biggest investment...
 
Pick6 said:
Yeah they Chiefs were in such "cap hell" (as this board loves to call it), they were able to give Sammy freaking Watkins a 3 year/48mm deal with 30mm guaranteed the first offseason after he was gone.
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The Chiefs freed up 24m alone last off-season by trading Alex Smith and releasing Tamba Hali and Ron Parker. Anthony Hitchens' contract was backloaded- he was only a 3.5m cap hit last year; jumps to 11m this year. So was Watkins- 7.5m last year, jumps to 19 and 21m this year and next. The Rams also dealt Marcus Peters who was in line for an extension.

It wasn't Browns fans who said Dorsey didn't manage the cap well, it was the stories that came out after he was fired. Dial up Albert Breer and KC writers on Twitter if you feel this was an errant position for them to have ever held. Like I said before, Dorsey isnt the first 'football guy' to struggle w the cap; he isnt even the first Browns GM/football guy to do this either. I guess we find put in the next 2 years if he learned any lessons.
 
Is there a faq for the nfl cap as good as the NBA one?
 
Smooth said:
Right now the Browns are at about ~$32M in cap space with about $5M additionally needed to sign their current draft pool..

At this point, even though they have $32M technically still to spend, I'd hope to see them continue being efficient with their money and roll over as much as they can with the pending extensions for Randall and Schobert, and even potentially Tretter next year...

If they continue operating around the edges like they have with the Armstrong, Taylor, Harris, they should be good to go moving forward.. Really the only big money commitments they've made this off-season has been to Beckham, OBJ, Vernon and Richardson, which is the type of players you're okay with doing that..

I know there has been concern with Dorsey's cap management, but thus far he's spent where he's needed to spend and allowed himself outs along the way... He hasn't made any true commitments beyond two years, which allows for flexibility from year to year...

Vernon is essentially on a two-year deal, Richardson has an out after year two; he can get off of big signings from last year in Hubbard and Carrie, or even Smith and Mitchell if he really wanted to; he didn't go above and beyond to retain Robinson...

I mean I have to say he's done a pretty good job on how he's utilized the cap space and the shape it looks like it'll be in moving forward..

For 2020, it looks like they'll have ~$26M before they rollover any cap from this year, before they sign anyone else past this year and before they cut anyone after the season...

My guess is Kirksey is as good as gone at his price tag, bringing that total closer to ~$33M pre-rollover.. He can also free up to another ~$15M by releasing Hubbard ($5M), Carrie ($6M) and Duke ($3.5)...

Moral of the story: Dorsey has spent well, spent wisely and they should be in good cap shape moving forward, with most of our offense locked up for next 3-4 years and our defense being the biggest investment...
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I'll be honest if they are swinging for the fences just go ahead and add another player in the secondary. Yeah I know that narrows the cap space but I feel like another good CB/S could be the difference between winning the division and winning playoff games.
 
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