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2021 Cleveland Indians Predictions

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It'll be a frustrating, inconsistent young team with alternating losing and winning streaks, but I still see 88-92 wins.

White Sox will crash and burn, Royals will be a pain the ass and finish ahead of CHW, we'll battle Minny for the Division and others for WC.
 
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Not a predicition but Zac Meisel had this on the Indians 2021 season:

Detroit will play host to the start of a new era for Cleveland’s baseball bunch, or perhaps the first few days of an awkward, caught-in-between year for a franchise motioning from one collection of players to the next. The Indians have steered toward this point for the past couple of years. They have gradually recalibrated the roster, trading starting pitcher after starting pitcher and, ultimately, the All-Star shortstop. Along the way, they stockpiled middle infielders too young to partake in one of those alcohol-infused celebrations.

This is a new dawn, a new universe, and what unfolded on the diamond from 2013 to 2020 is in the rearview. The 2021 season isn’t even so much about 2021; it’s about charting a path to that moment in time when halting the team’s 73-year championship drought again seems attainable.

If this winds up looking like a transition year, that’s because it is. If this winds up being the Indians’ worst season since Francona took the reins as manager, it won’t be shocking. If this winds up serving as a springboard for the next run of postseason appearances, well, that’s their hope and their top priority.

The theme of this season is learning who will be a part of the next wave and who will not, learning who deserves to stick around when Tyler Freeman and Nolan Jones and Owen Miller and Gabriel Arias and George Valera equip the club with some long-desired position-player talent to pair with a promising pitching staff.

To accomplish that, there will be some trial and error. (Clock’s ticking, Jake Bauers.) There will be some experimenting. (Good luck in center, Amed Rosario.) There will be plenty of roster shuffling. (Don’t get too comfortable in Columbus, Oscar Mercado, Daniel Johnson, Bobby Bradley and Nick Sandlin.)

Those strategies can be detrimental to the win column, but it’s a necessary evil to weed out who doesn’t fit and to figure out what works. The Indians have a roster filled with guys in their mid-20s who haven’t proven they can cut it in the big leagues. They have to get answers.

And, maybe in a twisted way, that makes this season more intriguing than certain 162-game campaigns in recent memory. There’s something alluring about the mystery clouding the expectations for guys like Zach Plesac, Aaron Civale, Logan Allen, Josh Naylor and Andrés Giménez. Some players will enjoy breakout seasons and firmly plant themselves in the team’s plans for 2022 and beyond. Others will disappoint and lose their grip on a roster spot.

It leaves the overall outlook for the team a bit murky.

A productive season for the Indians would be to reach the fall with confidence that the 2022 roster could be loaded with young talent. That doesn’t completely rule out fielding a competitive team over the next six months, but that will prove far more difficult than it has for the past five years.
 
Not a predicition but Zac Meisel had this on the Indians 2021 season:

Detroit will play host to the start of a new era for Cleveland’s baseball bunch, or perhaps the first few days of an awkward, caught-in-between year for a franchise motioning from one collection of players to the next. The Indians have steered toward this point for the past couple of years. They have gradually recalibrated the roster, trading starting pitcher after starting pitcher and, ultimately, the All-Star shortstop. Along the way, they stockpiled middle infielders too young to partake in one of those alcohol-infused celebrations.

This is a new dawn, a new universe, and what unfolded on the diamond from 2013 to 2020 is in the rearview. The 2021 season isn’t even so much about 2021; it’s about charting a path to that moment in time when halting the team’s 73-year championship drought again seems attainable.

If this winds up looking like a transition year, that’s because it is. If this winds up being the Indians’ worst season since Francona took the reins as manager, it won’t be shocking. If this winds up serving as a springboard for the next run of postseason appearances, well, that’s their hope and their top priority.

The theme of this season is learning who will be a part of the next wave and who will not, learning who deserves to stick around when Tyler Freeman and Nolan Jones and Owen Miller and Gabriel Arias and George Valera equip the club with some long-desired position-player talent to pair with a promising pitching staff.

To accomplish that, there will be some trial and error. (Clock’s ticking, Jake Bauers.) There will be some experimenting. (Good luck in center, Amed Rosario.) There will be plenty of roster shuffling. (Don’t get too comfortable in Columbus, Oscar Mercado, Daniel Johnson, Bobby Bradley and Nick Sandlin.)

Those strategies can be detrimental to the win column, but it’s a necessary evil to weed out who doesn’t fit and to figure out what works. The Indians have a roster filled with guys in their mid-20s who haven’t proven they can cut it in the big leagues. They have to get answers.

And, maybe in a twisted way, that makes this season more intriguing than certain 162-game campaigns in recent memory. There’s something alluring about the mystery clouding the expectations for guys like Zach Plesac, Aaron Civale, Logan Allen, Josh Naylor and Andrés Giménez. Some players will enjoy breakout seasons and firmly plant themselves in the team’s plans for 2022 and beyond. Others will disappoint and lose their grip on a roster spot.

It leaves the overall outlook for the team a bit murky.

A productive season for the Indians would be to reach the fall with confidence that the 2022 roster could be loaded with young talent. That doesn’t completely rule out fielding a competitive team over the next six months, but that will prove far more difficult than it has for the past five years.
Pretty much spot on if you ask me. The only difference in what this organization is doing and me is that I wouldn't have fucked with any of Bauers, Zimmer, Gamel, or Mercado TBH. It doesn't bother me to think that one or two of these guys could become productive major leaguers in another organization. In fact, I'd be wishing them the best because I don't hate them, it's just time for them to go.

I would have put Bradley at 1B and Johnson in CF and told them this isn't going to be a small sample size, and when the dust settles they will have either found their niche or follow the same path as the aforementioned. I would have no problem with taking some lumps this season finding out who can do what is expected.

I often suggest trades, but this team's positional needs could easily be filled internally if Jones, Johnson, Bradley, Miller, Freeman, and a host of others realize their potential.

They may not make it to the promised land this season, but the sky is not falling and they still have 161 games to play. Either way, the future of this team is bright.
 
Pretty much spot on if you ask me. The only difference in what this organization is doing and me is that I wouldn't have fucked with any of Bauers, Zimmer, Gamel, or Mercado TBH. It doesn't bother me to think that one or two of these guys could become productive major leaguers in another organization. In fact, I'd be wishing them the best because I don't hate them, it's just time for them to go.

I would have put Bradley at 1B and Johnson in CF and told them this isn't going to be a small sample size, and when the dust settles they will have either found their niche or follow the same path as the aforementioned. I would have no problem with taking some lumps this season finding out who can do what is expected.

I often suggest trades, but this team's positional needs could easily be filled internally if Jones, Johnson, Bradley, Miller, Freeman, and a host of others realize their potential.

They may not make it to the promised land this season, but the sky is not falling and they still have 161 games to play. Either way, the future of this team is bright.

You are giving up on Mercado a bit too soon (he has options and is solid defensively in CF), but I cannot disagree we sometimes give some guys too many chances. I would have cut Bauers and Zimmer personally. I wasnt against Gamel (just for this season as a bench guy. I don't want a young guy with options at the end of the bench getting no ABs).

I wanted Amed in CF from the get go of camp and he did push Johnson off the roster because of the switch and giving RF to Naylor, but I felt Johnson should have been out there all spring at the very least. Johnson is our best RF in all aspects of the word, so he should have been in RF, while Naylor competed for 1B.
 
You are giving up on Mercado a bit too soon (he has options and is solid defensively in CF), but I cannot disagree we sometimes give some guys too many chances. I would have cut Bauers and Zimmer personally. I wasnt against Gamel (just for this season as a bench guy. I don't want a young guy with options at the end of the bench getting no ABs).

I wanted Amed in CF from the get go of camp and he did push Johnson off the roster because of the switch and giving RF to Naylor, but I felt Johnson should have been out there all spring at the very least. Johnson is our best RF in all aspects of the word, so he should have been in RF, while Naylor competed for 1B.
I think Mercado's swing is too apt to get long and he will always struggle to maintain consistency. That's just my opinion. I also think that Mercado at his best profiles very similarly to Amed. I think Amed will prove to be a much more consistent hitter.

I'm OK with Amed in CF if he can make the transition, but Johnson should have been the CF from the get go. I don't know what they should do with Amed. It seems as if CF is his to lose if he can ever play it at an acceptable level. The MIF depth is so ridiculous that I can't see him breaking through there. He's either our CF or traded IMO.
 
I think Mercado's swing is too apt to get long and he will always struggle to maintain consistency. That's just my opinion. I also think that Mercado at his best profiles very similarly to Amed. I think Amed will prove to be a much more consistent hitter.

I'm OK with Amed in CF if he can make the transition, but Johnson should have been the CF from the get go. I don't know what they should do with Amed. It seems as if CF is his to lose if he can ever play it at an acceptable level. The MIF depth is so ridiculous that I can't see him breaking through there. He's either our CF or traded IMO.

I don't agree Johnson should have been the CF from the get go. Mercado's defensive numbers are better than Johnson's in CF (no one can deny that one), plus has MLB experience. Mercado should have been the first up in CF, with Amed, Johnson, Zimmer etc competing with him to start there, while Johnson also competed for RF with Naylor. Then Naylor should have been in the comp with Bauers and Bradley at 1B. Amed should have been in CF to start and I think Johnson in RF, Bauers off the team and Naylor at 1B should have been potentially the best lineup and from watching today, I think it would have been.
 
I don't agree Johnson should have been the CF from the get go. Mercado's defensive numbers are better than Johnson's in CF (no one can deny that one), plus has MLB experience. Mercado should have been the first up in CF, with Amed, Johnson, Zimmer etc competing with him to start there, while Johnson also competed for RF with Naylor. Then Naylor should have been in the comp with Bauers and Bradley at 1B. Amed should have been in CF to start and I think Johnson in RF, Bauers off the team and Naylor at 1B should have been potentially the best lineup and from watching today, I think it would have been.
Nobody wants to throw to a 5'10" 1B and Josh isn't a bad corner OFer. He has a strong arm and his mobility has certainly increased with his improved conditioning. As I've said before, I have little faith that Naylor will be anything but decent. I don't expect you or anyone else to agree with me, and I'm not trying to change minds. In fact, I want to be convinced by Josh that I'm wrong.

We'll just have to agree to disagree and you can ignore what the organization and scouts say about Johnson if you like. Maybe he's not quite as good as Mercado defensively, but some will argue that he is. Without a doubt, Johnson is a more dynamic player than Mercado. Just as fast, stronger arm, more power, and much better hitter.
 
All of the above might be what we see by Memorial Day.
 
Nobody wants to throw to a 5'10" 1B and Josh isn't a bad corner OFer. He has a strong arm and his mobility has certainly increased with his improved conditioning. As I've said before, I have little faith that Naylor will be anything but decent. I don't expect you or anyone else to agree with me, and I'm not trying to change minds. In fact, I want to be convinced by Josh that I'm wrong.

We'll just have to agree to disagree and you can ignore what the organization and scouts say about Johnson if you like. Maybe he's not quite as good as Mercado defensively, but some will argue that he is. Without a doubt, Johnson is a more dynamic player than Mercado. Just as fast, stronger arm, more power, and much better hitter.

I wasn't ignoring the scouts, Mercado is better in CF than Johnson, but you have to remember in 19, Mercado was toward the top in CF defensively. More innings at the same rate, he will have been fairly close to a gold glove.

If Johnson is at least league average in CF defensively then I am not against him out there. I'd just rather have him in RF since why not put the guy in the position where he could possibly get to a gold glove level not where he can play but will never get a gold glove?

I mean our best OF defensively would be Luplow in LF, Mercado in CF and Johnson in RF. That could actually be the best OF defensively in all of baseball on paper. If Mercado cannot find his bat again though, Johnson being out in CF, I can deal with at the end of the day.

Bauers is 6'1 so it's not like he is a much bigger target in a sense. I mean Zimmer would be the first choice if you where doing height alone (6'5 lol) Plus it looks like he has a good wingspan so that's not everything..
 
I wasn't ignoring the scouts, Mercado is better in CF than Johnson, but you have to remember in 19, Mercado was toward the top in CF defensively. More innings at the same rate, he will have been fairly close to a gold glove.

If Johnson is at least league average in CF defensively then I am not against him out there. I'd just rather have him in RF since why not put the guy in the position where he could possibly get to a gold glove level not where he can play but will never get a gold glove?

I mean our best OF defensively would be Luplow in LF, Mercado in CF and Johnson in RF. That could actually be the best OF defensively in all of baseball on paper. If Mercado cannot find his bat again though, Johnson being out in CF, I can deal with at the end of the day.

Bauers is 6'1 so it's not like he is a much bigger target in a sense. I mean Zimmer would be the first choice if you where doing height alone (6'5 lol) Plus it looks like he has a good wingspan so that's not everything..
Johnson is better than average in CF. His incredible arm strength only enhances his ability in CF. It's not typically where you see an arm like that. It's not typically where you see power like his either. Both factors help drive his value in CF up. Johnson's problem wasn't that he couldn't play CF, it was that nobody else could play RF. This system has been bereft of corner OF talent in the upper levels outside of Johnson.

I don't know what Zimmer has to do with the 1B discussion. I didn't say anybody taller than Naylor would be ideal. I did say that his height, or lack thereof, wasn't ideal because it isn't. Maybe we end up watching Naylor take over 1B. I feel confident in saying that if we do it will only be due to Bradley and Bauers failures to perform.
 
I'd like to see Rosario in center, a Johnson/Luplow platoon in right, and a Chang/Naylor platoon at first base. I'm not a fan of Zimmer, Mercado, Bauers, Bradley or Gamel. Gamel, 28, is a career .260/.720 hitter. For comparison, Tyler Naquin is .273/.765. If we gave up on Naquin I'm not sure what they see in Gamel except that he's a grinder and Tito loves grinders. Gamel is this year's Mike Freeman.

I agree that Bradley deserves a real look at the major league level, not just 40 AB's.
 

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