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2022-2023 Regular Season: A New Power Rises in the East

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Is This the Greatest Team in NBA History?

  • Da

    Votes: 7 11.3%
  • Da!

    Votes: 18 29.0%
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    Votes: 8 12.9%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 29 46.8%

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So.. I was curious what DG and Mobley's numbers looked like in games Mitchell didn't play this season and what did I find? The future sneaking up on us:

DG = 26.7 points, 9.2 assists, 2.8 rebounds

Mobley = 18.2 points, 10.1 rebounds, 2.8 assists
 
So.. I was curious what DG and Mobley's numbers looked like in games Mitchell didn't play this season and what did I find? The future sneaking up on us:

DG = 26.7 points, 9.2 assists, 2.8 rebounds

Mobley = 18.2 points, 10.1 rebounds, 2.8 assists
Well, with Mitchell out there are more shots to go around. Garland's 51-point game came with Mitchell and Allen out and Mitchell's 71-point game came with both Garland and Mobley out.

AFAIC when Garland, Mitchell, Mobley, Allen, Wade, Rubio, LeVert, and Okoro are all healthy this team should average 118+ and allow 106 per game. If Love and Cedi are hitting their 3's - even better.
 
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The Knicks lost at home to the Clippers last night and Miami lost to Milwaukee. The Cavs are now 3.0 games ahead of Miami and 4.0 ahead of the Knicks. The Cavs have seven games left until the break and five of them are against teams with losing records.

According to teamrankings.com the Cavs have played the NBA's third toughest schedule so far and their remaining schedule is the 7th easiest. Just when they're getting Rubio and Wade back, too.

As for the remaining schedules of the teams the Cavs are competing with for playoff seeding, Philadelphia has easily the toughest while Milwaukee is 3rd, the Knicks 4th, Boston 8th, Brooklyn 10th (with Kyrie demanding a trade), and Miami 12th. The Cavs have the 24th toughest remaining schedule, so as long as they stay healthy they should be able to at least maintain the 5th place spot or even move up. They're just one game behind the Nets.

The Sixers started 12-12 but have since gone 22-5. I know they have the hardest remaining schedule, but 3.5 games is a lot for the Cavs to make up with 28 games left. We'll need a lot of help to catch Philly or Milwaukee, and there's also the possibility that these teams will add a piece before the deadline. I'm hoping Durant is out for a while longer and Kyrie gets traded so we can pass up the Nets for 4th place.
 
LeBron is under contract with the Lakers next season. And they won't buy him out. So I'm pretty sure he won't be a Buck or a Celtic.

youre correct....i thought the player option was next year....and i dont think james is the type of person to pull a kyrie...iirc...irving said he was going to get surgery and thats why cleveland traded him
 
I'm sure some will disagree on this, but I would be perfectly happy with a Cavs team built around this group that never wins a championship but is a title contender every year for the next 8 seasons. Sustained deep playoff runs as a top 3-4 team in your conference and top 5-8 team in the league would be a lot of fun to watch as a fan and mark a successful rebuild.

I agree, but it also has to be understood that you don't know ahead of time that your title contending team won't win a championship in a given season until that season actually ends. So what you're really talking about is having all those years of excitement, playoff runs, etc.. plus, the possibility in each of those years that you actually do win a title. If you don't, it still was fun while each of those seasons was happening.

Regardless, I think it is more likely that you win a title by having a contending team with an extended window than by gambling it all in a single season. Those "all-in" gambles for single season runs are never a certainty. Too many things are just up to chance - injuries, players going cold or an opposing team getting hot, etc.. Heck, we should have nuked GSW in 2015 given how we played coming down the stretch. But, Love went down, then Kyrie, and that was it.
 
Ryan Rusillo's take on Cavs' softness. Starts at 6:50

as you probably already know....both russilo and simmons are big on cleveland.... both are nutjob-level guys that go to fukn g-league games....they know what theyre talking about....you just cant when you spend that much time watching basketball for that many years


RE russilo and miami....

"clevelands way more talented"

the cavs are right fukn there....theres no going back thats not an option.....they have to eat a contract and get the three...half glass full thinking is that the cavs caught a break here RE loves back one week before the trade deadline...this happens in april they are fukd bcz then they would have to rely on wade to give them loves 20 min/game in the playoffs....10/6 and 40 from the three.... and thats probably not happneing
 
Yeah, but we have to get good enough, in the next few years, so that Mitchell is convinced to stay. So, it basically IS an all-in move.

they have to get good now.....ecf this year...so that the cavs can get a gallinari type deal in the off-season..a vet whose main goal is to win a championship and not necessarily about the money....

if the cavs are a fisrt round exit this year thyre not getting a gallinari deal in the off-season.....they get to the ecf....they might be able to choose between two or three danilos....
 
This was the part of the Warriors’ team building that made the biggest difference: “2014 - (new coach) championship”.

That’s the step we will eventually need to take, if we want to compete for championships.

the biggest difference is that the warriors are willing to spend over twice what a normal nba teams payroll is....if the cavs philosophy is to do the same then a lackadasical approach could be justified....


if not the cavs need to proceed with the mindset that they very well could only have three years with donovan...a top ten player who has already proven to be arguably the best guy on the court in three playoff series....statisctically outplaying both kawaii and jokic

going "all in" with a washington/hayward trade or even hardaway is not anything out of the ordinary for a team this close....if anything its completely normal for a team thats trying to get to the conference finals....

lakers rihgt now trying to trade for a cancer like kyrie for westbrook...irving asking 200m for four years......

laughable that the cavs wouldnt take a chacne on hardayway when there is a good chance that they could dump his contract for a 15mm hit should he not work out
 
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I agree, but it also has to be understood that you don't know ahead of time that your title contending team won't win a championship in a given season until that season actually ends. So what you're really talking about is having all those years of excitement, playoff runs, etc.. plus, the possibility in each of those years that you actually do win a title. If you don't, it still was fun while each of those seasons was happening.

Regardless, I think it is more likely that you win a title by having a contending team with an extended window than by gambling it all in a single season. Those "all-in" gambles for single season runs are never a certainty. Too many things are just up to chance - injuries, players going cold or an opposing team getting hot, etc.. Heck, we should have nuked GSW in 2015 given how we played coming down the stretch. But, Love went down, then Kyrie, and that was it.

Agree 100%. In baseball I think of the 90s Tribe and say "That was a heck of a fun time!" But we didn't win a championship. So what? It was a fun time to be a Cleveland baseball fan. Same thing in football with the Kosar Browns. Yeah they lost some heartbreakers that still sting, but it sure was a fun time to be a Cleveland football fan. And who knows, maybe next time . . . .
 
I just thought of something crazy. But with Kyrie out are the Brooklyn nets now going to go full rebuild and trade Durant next? Would it be insane to go all-in and trade Garland for KD? Are we not instant favorites to win the title? We'd also be bringing the triple towers back :celb (15):

Donovan Mitchell
Caris LeVert
Kevin Durant
Evan mobley
Jarrett allen
 
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