2022 Summer League Thread

[B Mac]

So?

How does a player who's better at everything who also has much better size gets drafted 17th in a weaker draft and Okoro who had no tangible skills or size gets drafted 5th in a perceived stronger draft?

Both are considered to be close as far as archetype go..it just happens that one is much better at what he's supposed to bring -- one was liked by the GM and the other was clearly not. How does that happen? It shouldn't.


i cant figure out how Koby operates.

As we are now doing with pretty much everything, I'm just going to blame Covid. Not being able to see Okoro workout against actual NBA guys to see his lack of skillset MUST have played at least part in the decision.

 

[inliner311]

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Well there might be part of the explanation for why we passed on the guy. They may have just thought he'd be a poor fit culture-wise, and wasn't so special that they were willing to overlook that.

Add that to leaks that he interviewed poorly, and it starts to make more sense.

I would also imagine if anyone with the team had connections to the Cincinnati basketball program that they would also have gotten an honest evaluation of Eason because they wouldn't need to feel like that had to hype him up since he left their program.

 

[Peacedog]

You owned Koby, again.

I think the Cavs should fire Koby Altman and replace him with "I'mWithDan."

 

[jjvors]

I actually think LeVert will start, which I’m fine with.

I just think Agbaji is ready and he’s such a good fit with Mobley and Garland.

I actually think Sexton will start. We'll see.

 

[dark2332]

I actually think Sexton will start. We'll see.

I’m not even sure Sexton is going to be back on this team.

If he is, I can’t see him starting, not with Lauri at the 3–the defense would suffer. I think Okoro is more likely to start than Sexton, but LeVert more than either.

 

[CleveRocks]

I think the Cavs should fire Koby Altman and replace him with "I'mWithDan."

Are you sure IWD isn't Kobe trolling the board?

 

[inliner311]

I actually think Sexton will start. We'll see.

I could see Sexton starts because the triple towers might be the way to cover for Garland and Sexton defensively. They will need to play together for 12-15 minutes a game and I'm not sure we have any other way to cover for them. If the triple towers is basically the only way to cover for them, then it makes sense to start Sexton so we don't have to extend the triple towers stints on the floor. Bigs usually can't play as long of stints as guards so it makes sense to get the minutes out of the way with Sexland and to get to other lineups to keep our bigs healthy.

 

[Douglar]

None of the Cavs players made Hollinger's best or the worst of summer league 2022

Hollinger: Best and worst of NBA Summer League and what it all means

Some of the stuff that happened in Las Vegas did actually matters, or at least seems to. And a few random stories caught our eye too.

theathletic.com

Often, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Not just our brief dalliances with Zavier Simpson’s hook shots or Luke Travers’ mullet or the Knicks playing for a championship either. I’m talking about entire takes about that year’s draft ecosystem.​

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Just think about the 2021 summer league if you can remember any of it. Atlanta’s Jalen Johnson made first-team All-Summer League before disappearing into witness protection during the regular season; Phoenix’s Jalen Smith was a first-teamer too but had his third-year option declined. Detroit’s Luka Garza made the second team; Scottie Barnes and Evan Mobley did not.​

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Seeing results like that, it’s fair to ask if there’s anything from the two weeks in Vegas that we can carry over into the season beyond an ill-chosen tattoo? But that mindset might be leaning too far the other way. Vegas may not have a massive predictive value given the small sample of games. But despite some odd recent results, it does have some — we’re still playing basketball here.​

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This is particularly true once you look past a certain archetype of player who thrives in summer league — the shot-happy, shoot-first, undersized guard. Cam Thomas winning back-to-back summer-league scoring titles is certainly notable, but we’ve been burned by too many similar players before. It will be hard to say how much it translates until autumn.​

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Since nobody talked about him, though, can we chat about Mathurin? The Pacers wing was the sixth pick in the draft, and he was awesome in his three games in Vegas before being shut down with a sore toe. Mathurin averaged nearly a point per minute (19.4 per game in 22.4 minutes), only had two turnovers in three games, scored comfortably at all three levels and padded his résumé with a couple of emphatic poster dunks. His 31.8 PER was the best of any summer leaguer who played at least 60 minutes, and it wasn’t driven by crazy outlier shooting percentages either.​

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[InBoobieWeTrust]

None of the Cavs players made Hollinger's best or the worst of summer league 2022

Hollinger: Best and worst of NBA Summer League and what it all means

Some of the stuff that happened in Las Vegas did actually matters, or at least seems to. And a few random stories caught our eye too.

theathletic.com

Often, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Not just our brief dalliances with Zavier Simpson’s hook shots or Luke Travers’ mullet or the Knicks playing for a championship either. I’m talking about entire takes about that year’s draft ecosystem.​

​

Just think about the 2021 summer league if you can remember any of it. Atlanta’s Jalen Johnson made first-team All-Summer League before disappearing into witness protection during the regular season; Phoenix’s Jalen Smith was a first-teamer too but had his third-year option declined. Detroit’s Luka Garza made the second team; Scottie Barnes and Evan Mobley did not.​

​

Seeing results like that, it’s fair to ask if there’s anything from the two weeks in Vegas that we can carry over into the season beyond an ill-chosen tattoo? But that mindset might be leaning too far the other way. Vegas may not have a massive predictive value given the small sample of games. But despite some odd recent results, it does have some — we’re still playing basketball here.​

​

This is particularly true once you look past a certain archetype of player who thrives in summer league — the shot-happy, shoot-first, undersized guard. Cam Thomas winning back-to-back summer-league scoring titles is certainly notable, but we’ve been burned by too many similar players before. It will be hard to say how much it translates until autumn.​

......​

Since nobody talked about him, though, can we chat about Mathurin? The Pacers wing was the sixth pick in the draft, and he was awesome in his three games in Vegas before being shut down with a sore toe. Mathurin averaged nearly a point per minute (19.4 per game in 22.4 minutes), only had two turnovers in three games, scored comfortably at all three levels and padded his résumé with a couple of emphatic poster dunks. His 31.8 PER was the best of any summer leaguer who played at least 60 minutes, and it wasn’t driven by crazy outlier shooting percentages either.​

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I think this article is good as it points out that summer league is historically bad at showing us who succeeds and who doesn’t in the NBA.

I am excited about Agbaki mostly because I thought the form on his jumper is beautiful and the addition of the type of style shots he was taking will be extremely valuable to our offense. Not because of any particular awesome game performance in games 1 and 3. But because of the arc and form on his shot and which shots he tended to seek out and take.

 

[Cavatt]

I really wanted Jalen Johnson. DId he get any minutes last year?

 

[NMCav]

I really wanted Jalen Johnson. DId he get any minutes last year?

5.5 MPG in 22 games. So he didn't get any real minutes. And I doubt he does. Unless the Hawks eventually move Collins then he may get his shot.