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If it happens, what OCs are even available now? Kind of puts Ryan Day in a poor position to find the best guy because it's the wrong window.

Hopefully Sayin wanted to play for Day as much as Bill O'Brien. I doubt Sayin would want to play at BC but you got to feel for Sayin that the coaches he wanted to play for left twice just as he gets on each of the campuses.
 
Shocking that some folks consider academics more important than sports at their universities....
All of this NIL stuff is starting to turn me off from the NCAA. I miss the old conferences where not every big school were in 2 to 3 conferences. Guys are just transferring all over. Coaches are paid an ass ton. What’s the point? Just seems like a pro league at this point.
 
Can someone explain to me the infatuation with amateurism and the need to not be a pro league in name only?
 
Can someone explain to me the infatuation with amateurism and the need to not be a pro league in name only?

Fair question. I think the point you raise is different from the point I was making about academics at Michigan, so I'll just kind of address both. First your point:

1) From my perspective, if it's just going to be a pro league, then its basically the minor leagues, and I personally don't have much interest in watching generic minor league football on tv. What gave/gives college football -- and college team sports in general -- that additional interest is being association with a particular college or university. But if they're just bouncing around from team to team based on whomever offers them more money, then it doesn't seem very college-y at all.

It's kind of what non-SEC schools used to say about the SEC -- that they weren't really schools at all but just sports factories because they didn't care at all about academics. But even that level of academic facade is kind of torched by this kind of perpetual free agency.

I understand others might feel differently, and maybe really enjoy the minor-league aspect of it without caring too much about the college association/affiliation. But for others, it greatly diminishes interest in the product.

2) As far as the comment about Michigan, I'm kind of fascinated by the mindset expressed in the tweet to which I was responding about the "ivory tower elites". It seems that tweeter overlooked the fact that Michigan is a university first and foremost, and an extraordinarily good one at that. The football program is just kind of an "extra". A great many of the people who attend it/have attended it in the past don't care all that much about the football program. At least, not to the extent that it would obligate them to pour tons of money into buying aspiring college players. They'd rather give their money to, say, a new endowed chair in the chemistry department. Sure, they'd like to see the team go well. They're just not willing to pay for it.

I just think its funny that some folks apparently believe there is something wrong with that, so that those people deserve the negative label of "ivory-towered elites". You don't want to throw money at their chemistry department, so why should they throw money at your football team?

3. Just on a side note, I realize there are a lot of calls for colleges to just start paying football/basketball players directly. Apart from the fact that a lot of schools just don't want to do that, it also raised Title IX implications. That makes a rather interesting argument that it would then be impossible to pay players what they're worth because any salary you give to those players would really be only half of their worth, because the other half would be going to those whose economic value is much, much less.
 
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These are colleges and it’s nuts throwing all of this money around. I’d rather have the money from donors actually spent on the schools themselves.
Then make amateur football amateur football and develop a real minor leagues of Football for young players to play and get paid. I don't think the thing to do here is to get rid of the money. Those players earn this money, and most colleges are flat ass broke without the money a football team drives into the university.
 
Then make amateur football amateur football and develop a real minor leagues of Football for young players to play and get paid. I don't think the thing to do here is to get rid of the money. Those players earn this money, and most colleges are flat ass broke without the money a football team drives into the university.
Do you have a source that most colleges are broke without football?
 
Do you have a source that most colleges are broke without football?
I don’t want to speak for Amherst, but most college’s athletic departments are reliant on the football programs to help fund other sports. The same isn’t true for academia.
 
1) From my perspective, if it's just going to be a pro league, then its basically the minor leagues, and I personally don't have much interest in watching generic minor league football on tv. What gave/gives college football -- and college team sports in general -- that additional interest is being association with a particular college or university. But if they're just bouncing around from team to team based on whomever offers them more money, then it doesn't seem very college-y at all.

The athletes affiliation with a particular college or university is a constant, and does not change.

Generic minor league football is what Power 5 college football has been for decades, is the problem that we're just not allowed to call it that?

What rubicon is being crossed by simply admitting that is the status quo right now, regardless of whether or not players have their economic freedom wholly restricted by a body (the NCAA) which profits from their labor?

It's kind of what non-SEC schools used to say about the SEC -- that they weren't really schools at all but just sports factories because they didn't care at all about academics. But even that level of academic facade is kind of torched by this kind of perpetual free agency.

This is narrative vs. real life. The B1G is similarly a sports factory, and all schools still prioritize academics.

No, academics is not "torched" by the ability to transfer.

Agnostic of football, 23% of students with no sports affiliation transfer schools before the end of their first four years.

Transfers are common and its not your purview to restrict who can go where and for what reason.


I understand others might feel differently, and maybe really enjoy the minor-league aspect of it without caring too much about the college association/affiliation. But for others, it greatly diminishes interest in the product.

That's certainly a choice, but I'm still left wondering what the trigger is for people to have their interest diminished in the sport beyond athletes earning money?

Perhaps the premise that all athletes have an emotional connection and attachment to the school they play for?

Fans feel slighted that athletes don't have the same fandom for "tradition" and the university which fans feel?


Either way, college football is more popular now than it has ever been before.




2) As far as the comment about Michigan, I'm kind of fascinated by the mindset expressed in the tweet to which I was responding about the "ivory tower elites". It seems that tweeter overlooked the fact that Michigan is a university first and foremost, and an extraordinarily good one at that. The football program is just kind of an "extra". A great many of the people who attend it/have attended it in the past don't care all that much about the football program. At least, not to the extent that it would obligate them to pour tons of money into buying aspiring college players. They'd rather give their money to, say, a new endowed chair in the chemistry department. Sure, they'd like to see the team go well. They're just not willing to pay for it.

I just think its funny that some folks apparently believe there is something wrong with that, so that those people deserve the negative label of "ivory-towered elites". You don't want to throw money at their chemistry department, so why should they throw money at your football team?

In September, the University of Michigan received a $30 million grant for chemistry from the National Science Foundation to bring nature’s efficiency and flexibility to advanced materials and additive manufacturing (chemistry).

This is kind of like someone saying their interest in chemistry is diminished because the university has become a minor league for government.


Athletics is by far the most popular extra curricular of Power 5 schools and has historically been the biggest driver of investment and donations. So much so that most schools have faced the decades long question of how to match the enthusiasm for athletics donations to other parts of the university:



People by and large want to throw massive sums into athletics at these schools, the problem is the ivory-tower elites don't want to share that wealth with the players.
 
I don’t want to speak for Amherst, but most college’s athletic departments are reliant on the football programs to help fund other sports. The same isn’t true for academia.
Right, I knew other departments relied on football, but to me it sounded like the schools themselves are being propped up by football.

I don’t want to say they don’t deserve the money, they absolutely do. The NCAA and schools have made millions off of these players. I personally don’t know what the solution is, but it is souring me on all of this. When I was growing up, loved the multiple conferences and various big matchups during the regular season.
 

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