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A Closer Look at Joel Embiid's Injured Foot

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If the Cavaliers spend the first pick on a center with two screws in his foot a year after spending the first pick on Anthony Bennett, the NBA might pass a rule banning them from ever having the first pick again. Fortunately the people running this organization probably aren't that stupid.

Well there's no chance Embiid is going first overall, regardless. If the Cavs pick Embiid, it's because they trade down (with Philly, presumably) and take him at 3.
 
Heed the need, pass on Embiid.

Really disappointed because I wanted him more then anyone. Take Wiggins and call it a day. Kyrie/Dion/Wiggins will be sick on the break.
 
I keep asking myself if its really that big of a risk to take Embiid, especially if we do it at 3 and get some more assets from it. Is his disappointment chance really that much worse than Parker or Wiggins? Considering most though he was a superior prospect before, its possible that this just puts him on equal grounds. Of course the risk to get nothing from him is greater than getting nothing from the other 2, but that's why you get another asset that is equal to a not living up to expectations Parker or Wiggins. I wouldn't take him at one, but for 3-10 and maybe something else not crazy, like a slightly protected pick next year, I would be hard pressed to not take that deal.
 
Heed the need, pass on Embiid.

Really disappointed because I wanted him more then anyone. Take Wiggins and call it a day. Kyrie/Dion/Wiggins will be sick on the break.

couldn't agree more. the Embiid dream is over...

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Legitimate question for the people who wanted Embiid because of his ability to defend the rim. What's your definition of rim defender based on? Blocked shots? Stout ability in help defense because of athleticism? Ability to defend in the post? Combination?

And a follow up; Who exactly qualifies as a rim protector?
 
The thing that makes me the most upset about Embiid is not being able to hear Austin Carr screaming "Jojo Embiid!" on a dunk opportunity.
 
couldn't agree more. the Embiid dream is over...

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That's an interesting chart, but, sorry, I don't agree that Embiid's career is over. Heck, the guy was working out with the injury and even went golfing the day before the injury. Walton's injury is deceiving, as he had all sorts of injury issues and was at the end of his career in '87-'88 anyways. Michael Jordan, Kevin McHale, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Kurt Thomas, & Brendan Haywood are all guys who returned to action without having a recurrence or missing a beat. Since Embiid's injury was discovered during the summer and over 4 months before the season will begin, he shouldn't have to miss much time, if any.
 
Legitimate question for the people who wanted Embiid because of his ability to defend the rim. What's your definition of rim defender based on? Blocked shots? Stout ability in help defense because of athleticism? Ability to defend in the post? Combination?
Unless you have the SportsVu camera data, the best you can go for is blocked shots and defensive regularized adjusted plus minus. If you have SportsVu data, then you can look at opponent shooting frequency and percentage when the defender is within a certain radius.
Sources say that the foot and back fractures aren't the only issues with Embiid's physical.
More bad news for Embiid: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draf...n=10&source=Chad-Ford-Mock-Draft&preview=true
 
The Magic have also been trying to both move up and get another lottery pick. They've offered Nos. 4 and 12 and Afflalo to the Cavs and Bucks, but so far, no takers.

From chad ford's latest mock.

If this is the case I don't know how we aren't taking it. Play the long game with Embiid at 4, BPA at 12, and we get a solid vet regardless of whether you think his stats were a bit inflated last year.

Sometimes you have to be bold and go against the popular opinion to get great results. We've already done it once with Blatt. Let's do it again with Embiid.
 
From chad ford's latest mock.

If this is the case I don't know how we aren't taking it. Play the long game with Embiid at 4, BPA at 12, and we get a solid vet regardless of whether you think his stats were a bit inflated last year.

Sometimes you have to be bold and go against the popular opinion to get great results. We've already done it once with Blatt. Let's do it again with Embiid.

We aren't taking it because this is a three-man draft now that Embiid is out and, thus, the fourth pick is significantly less valuable. I'm also not sold on Afflalo. I like him, but he seems due for a major regression to the mean this year. The twelfth pick is nice and all, but not as nice as just drafting Andrew Wiggins.
 
couldn't agree more. the Embiid dream is over...

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Here is a pretty good article (from ProBasketballTalk.com) with a medical explanation of his injuries.

A doctor explains Joel Embiid’s foot injury

Dan Feldman

Jun 21, 2014, 7:30 PM EDT
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With Joel Embiid’s foot injury adding so much confusion to the NBA draft, I asked Dr. Ben Wedro of MD direct to help provide a little clarity – at least about the top-rated center. If you’re looking for help on the Andrew Wiggins/Jabari Parker debate, this isn’t the place (though I’ll have more on that tomorrow).

Q: What might have caused Embiid’s foot injury?

The navicular is located in the mid foot and is responsible for helping maintain the arch of the foot from heel to toe and transverse stability of the foot. It and the ligaments that attach to the mid foot to flex at the beginning of a stride and lock as the foot pushes off.

They are responsible for taking the load of the weight of the body as it comes down an distributing it. So, when you’re 7-foot-whatever and 300 pounds [ed: Emiid’s listed weight was 250 pounds at Kansas], that takes more load than if you’re me and and 5-9, 160. It’s one of those things that happens unfortunately. I don’t know if we’re built to be 7 feet.

Causes include increasing activity too quickly, poor equipment (in this case, perhaps poorly fit or supportive shoes) and bone insufficiency. Normal with the latter, it is due to osteoporosis but in a large 7 footer, it may be that the bones in his foot may not be able to support the size of his body.

When it is injured, it often takes time to make the diagnosis of the navicular stress fracture because it is not easily seen on x-ray.

Q: Considering his back injury also, is it possible Embiid’s bones are weak?

Unlikely. He’s a healthy guy. The think you think about with people with back fractures and bone problems is osteoporosis, and that’s more a disease of aging. You see that in older people, especially women who haven’t deposited calcium in their bones earlier on in life. They have a calcium deficit. So, that’s unlikely the case.

His bones are probably fine. His height is a problem.

Not a problem. You can’t teach height. But it puts more stress on the anatomy of the bones in the body to distribute all that pressure that comes through jumping and running.

As to the relationship with his previous back injury, the only relationship I can think of is being deconditioned and increasing practice and play time too quickly.

Q: What do you make of two screws being inserted into his foot?

The fracture needs to be stabilized and the screws are used for internal fixation. This is the expected procedure.

With either operative or non-operative approach, up to 90% of athletes can return to their level of competition.

Q: Do you think that percentage is lower for elite athletes, because they must climb back further to a higher level?

They have more incentive to do that or facility to be able to do that. They have more people around them to get them there.

He goes eight hours a day, six days a week. That’s their full-time job, and he has a team of people – from a chiropractor to massage therapist to a physical therapist and a doctor – working on your foot six hours a day.

Q: How can he and his team minimize of suffering another injury?

Part of his rehabilitation and evaluations of his injuries in his rehab will be looking at his footwear and seeing how they can help him with that – whether that’s orthotics or a specially built shoe for him – would probably be appropriate.

You have to work hard on his mechanics. The people will be looking hard at how he lands, how he takes off, how he runs and try to minimize the amount of stress on his feet by doing that.

They’re not going to tell him not to run fast. They’re not going to tell him not to jump high. They’re going to try to work with his natural athletic ability and maximize it.

So, if Embiid returns to full health, preemptively limiting his minutes to avoid future injury would be no more effective than employing that strategy with any other player?

That’s right.

As long as they’re comfortable that his mechanics are together. Let’s say they find – and I don’t know this – but let’s presume he has mechanical issues with his gait or his jumping or whatever. if they don’t correct, then that’s a different story – or if he cannot correct that.

If they find that he is mechanically sound and he’s fully recovered and he has no pain, then he should enjoy a long, healthy career.

That leaves a lot of ifs, though it is helpful to know exactly where the uncertainty remains.

Is he a normal 22-year-old? Is he the next Greg Oden? If we all knew the answer, we could predict the future.
Link: http://http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/21/a-doctor-explains-joel-embiids-foot-injury/
 
From chad ford's latest mock.

If this is the case I don't know how we aren't taking it. Play the long game with Embiid at 4, BPA at 12, and we get a solid vet regardless of whether you think his stats were a bit inflated last year.

Sometimes you have to be bold and go against the popular opinion to get great results. We've already done it once with Blatt. Let's do it again with Embiid.

Unless we're moving Waiters, I don't see a need for Afflalo. Personally, I'd rather have Tobias Harris than Afflalo. How about 1 & 33 for 4, 12, & Harris??
 
Good read & thanks for sharing. It makes me feel even more optimistic that Embiid can return to full health. We aren't talking about Sam Bowie, Greg Oden, or Andrew Bynum here. I had to play with orthotics in my shoes and that's a very simple fix.

The key is we don't know what we are talking about. We all can find articles that say it is not a big deal, we can also find a bunch of articles that say it is bad. Depending on the side of the fence you are on Embiid will dictate which articles you agree with. IMO the only way you can take Embiid is if he graded out head and shoulders above Parker and Wiggins. If all three come in at the same level, you can't risk taking Embiid.
 

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