A New Beginning

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Eh, I called the trade bad the second it happened.

No hindsight at all.

A lot of intriguing players with potentially a higher floor and ceiling were to be had at 25th. Definitely players that fit the the rebuilding timeline better than Nance...and it's not just about Nance, we got a negative value player in Clarkson as well.

 

[FiveThous]

Have they announced the starters for the summer league squad yet?

 

[Randolphkeys]

Eh, I called the trade bad the second it happened.

No hindsight at all.

A lot of intriguing players with potentially a higher floor and ceiling were to be had at 25th. Definitely players that fit the the rebuilding timeline better than Nance...and it's not just about Nance, we got a negative value player in Clarkson as well.

I believe at the core of this conflict is some folk devalue players entering their prime in a rebuild. The NBA embraced either being a contender - specifically in the top eight in the NBA - or gutting the roster and tanking. I don't believe tanking is the best approach for a small market anymore. The rules have changed so that being at the bottom of the standings is no longer rewarded in the lottery.

In addition, look at what the tanking in early 2000s with the Zoo Crew and 2010 post LBJ really got the Cavs: Yes, they won two key lotteries to get LBJ and Kyrie, but they didn't put a good team around them in the window of time needed. Cavs wasted at least three years of young LeBron with a bad supporting cast, then the second time they allowed Irving to form terrible habits with a lack of offensive talent around him he still hasnt shaken from his game.

That's the part I believe the NBA is trying to correct: Tanking gives teams more shots at elite young talent in the draft, but it creates a poor overall product for the league and fails to develop all those young pieces as they get blown out by 25 every night.

I see Koby's plan here. He wants a few players in their prime while the team reloads with a younger group who will eventually replace them. Nobody is going to be forced minutes they don't deserve. At the end of the day, we may not see the positive impact of Nance in his stats... but we will hear about his leadership.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

That's the part I believe the NBA is trying to correct: Tanking gives teams more shots at elite young talent in the draft, but it creates a poor overall product for the league

If the league genuinely cared about "product", they'd have never let this Golden State fiasco occur.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

I believe at the core of this conflict is some folk devalue players entering their prime in a rebuild. The NBA embraced either being a contender - specifically in the top eight in the NBA - or gutting the roster and tanking. I don't believe tanking is the best approach for a small market anymore. The rules have changed so that being at the bottom of the standings is no longer rewarded in the lottery.

In addition, look at what the tanking in early 2000s with the Zoo Crew and 2010 post LBJ really got the Cavs: Yes, they won two key lotteries to get LBJ and Kyrie, but they didn't put a good team around them in the window of time needed. Cavs wasted at least three years of young LeBron with a bad supporting cast, then the second time they allowed Irving to form terrible habits with a lack of offensive talent around him he still hasnt shaken from his game.

That's the part I believe the NBA is trying to correct: Tanking gives teams more shots at elite young talent in the draft, but it creates a poor overall product for the league and fails to develop all those young pieces as they get blown out by 25 every night.

I see Koby's plan here. He wants a few players in their prime while the team reloads with a younger group who will eventually replace them. Nobody is going to be forced minutes they don't deserve. At the end of the day, we may not see the positive impact of Nance in his stats... but we will hear about his leadership.

I can understand some parts of what you are saying, but I disagree with the overall conclusion.

This part I can not agree with at all.

That's the part I believe the NBA is trying to correct: Tanking gives teams more shots at elite young talent in the draft, but it creates a poor overall product for the league and fails to develop all those young pieces as they get blown out by 25 every night.

I really don't know what the NBA Is trying to do. To me, it looks like they are purposely trying to kill the small market teams;

The Supermax, the non justifiable max contracts for rookies(Non all star) selected in the lottery coming off their rookie contracts that have yet to prove a thing(Devin Booker, Wiggins, etc), and the big increase of rookie scale salary amounts...It takes away from the cap flexibility that rookie contracts should provide and makes unproven players become way overpaid in their rookie contracts, which can potentially result in more busts because of decrease in motivation to earn that second contract.

So small market teams have to sign their Superstars to Supermax contracts without the ability to fill in the rest of the roster, they have to sign their fringe starters to insane max contracts in fear of losing them because they know they can't sign any worthwhile FA to replace them...etc.

The NBA is in a shitty place, so I have no clue what's the best course of action...does anybody know?

What's certain is that they don't give a shit about the small market teams. I don't wanna say that we are doomed, but we are in a severe disadvantage...far, far worse than years past, and it looks to me like it was done intentionally.

 

[Vee-Rex]

Do people seriously believe that the Lakers would not have dumped Clarkson's contract on some other team to free up cap space for LeBron?

I'm glad we got Nance. LeBron was gone to LA either way.

 

[Pjlea28]

Do people seriously believe that the Lakers would not have dumped Clarkson's contract on some other team to free up cap space for LeBron?

I'm glad we got Nance. LeBron was gone to LA either way.

Thank you.

 

[Randolphkeys]

If the league genuinely cared about "product", they'd have never let this Golden State fiasco occur.

NBA doesn't care about quality basketball? Come on, no clown takes in these parts buddy. Get those other 30 of your friends out of that little Volkswagen.

 

[artimusprime]

https://923thefan.radio.com/article...ion-jason-lloyd-dave-mcmenamin-and-joe-vardon

The link for anyone interested.

Having listened to the first hour, it just seems like the cavs organizational culture is toxic. Really disappointing.

 

[dark2332]

Now that the LeBron era is done, I really want to re-brand again.

A new start... a new chapter...

A return to the wine and gold (with black and navy both incorporated) now reflects the LeBron years and ancient years.

I want to go back to the blue, orange, and black. Modern it up, but a new era. Or predominately blue/orange to reflect our Price/Daugherty teams.

I also want the logo back to a modernized version of the 80's or 90's variety.

Feels like the right time.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Now that the LeBron era is done, I really want to re-brand again.

A new start... a new chapter...

A return to the wine and gold (with black and navy both incorporated) now reflects the LeBron years and ancient years.

I want to go back to the blue, orange, and black. Modern it up, but a new era. Or predominately blue/orange to reflect our Price/Daugherty teams.

I also want the logo back to a modernized version of the 80's or 90's variety.

Feels like the right time.

Not the 1994-2003 one..please. I'll take the 1970-1083 one.

 

[avs2000]

Now that the LeBron era is done, I really want to re-brand again.

A new start... a new chapter...

A return to the wine and gold (with black and navy both incorporated) now reflects the LeBron years and ancient years.

I want to go back to the blue, orange, and black. Modern it up, but a new era. Or predominately blue/orange to reflect our Price/Daugherty teams.

I also want the logo back to a modernized version of the 80's or 90's variety.

Feels like the right time.

Our colors are wine and gold. It is unique stay with it. And first load go with miracle of Richfield uniforms

 

[dark2332]

Our colors are wine and gold.

Yes, they are wine and gold currently. They were wine and gold 1970-83 and 2003-Now (LeBron Era).

If you remove the LeBron era--which I'm trying to now separate from even though I appreciate that time--we were predominately orange and blue with white/black being the 3rd colors. For 20 years.

I'm saying that I wouldn't mind a switch back. Hell, our best basketball pre-Bron was orange and blue.

 

[PIP]

Now that the LeBron era is done, I really want to re-brand again.

A new start... a new chapter...

A return to the wine and gold (with black and navy both incorporated) now reflects the LeBron years and ancient years.

I want to go back to the blue, orange, and black. Modern it up, but a new era. Or predominately blue/orange to reflect our Price/Daugherty teams.

I also want the logo back to a modernized version of the 80's or 90's variety.

Feels like the right time.

Ironically enough Andre only wore that jersey that preseason...Cavs went to the Pete Chilcutt era Puma jersey during the start of the season...

 

[amurderofcrows]

"A New Beginning".
Why does that read like the next Game of Thrones Season?