Andre Iguodala on the market?

[Chris]

He's just telling it from a Suns perspective, the Philly insider is the cat you wanna listen to.

 

[LeBaron James]

Witness Protection,
you are 100% correct about Brand v Dalembert though. Daly's contract is up next year and then we could swing him for something else obviously. I could not even comprehend taking on Brand unless the 76'ers pic was unprotected. Brand's contract is probably the worst in the NBA. I know you listed it somewhere previously, but its something like $15 mil, $16 mil, $17 mil, and $18 mil all left.

With the NBA on the verge of getting a hard cap if a lockout happens, that would be the apocalypse for the Cavs. (well not really, but it'd be bad for sure)

 

[Triumph36]

That suns poster at the end is kind of disappointing. When reading that it sounds like unless our offer gets better they're pretty much set to a Iggy for Amare swap. Makes zero sense imo if both teams are trying to save money, but it probably allows them to save face with their fans. Cowards.

If I'm going to dream alittle bit then I'll dream that we're somehow able to pry Iggy, Brand, and Philly's first round pick (top 3 protected?). If that were ever to happen, I'd seek out Ferry and mate with him.

It is a little depressing, but we all know Ferry likes to play hardball. I'd be surprised if he made his best offer 2+ weeks before the deadline. Luckily, though, the 76ers insider seems to suggest they want to wait until the deadline....which still gives us time.

The Suns insider is a bit biased, but to be fair 1) their offer isn't TOTALLY awful, and 2) BW has suggested we stand pat - meaning we might be trying to lowball Philly to see if they bite and if not just moving on. If that's the case, as of right now the Suns probably would actually have the best offer on the table.

 

[jlegg21]

The part that stood out to me, from the Philly insider's comments, is the "75% sure the Sixers trade Iguodala"... without mentioning where necessarily. That part bodes well.

 

[mixman]

Witness Protection,
you are 100% correct about Brand v Dalembert though. Daly's contract is up next year and then we could swing him for something else obviously. I could not even comprehend taking on Brand unless the 76'ers pic was unprotected. Brand's contract is probably the worst in the NBA. I know you listed it somewhere previously, but its something like $15 mil, $16 mil, $17 mil, and $18 mil all left.

With the NBA on the verge of getting a hard cap if a lockout happens, that would be the apocalypse for the Cavs. (well not really, but it'd be bad for sure)

It might cause some trouble for the hard cap. But there's no way the NBA could go from a cap like they have now to a hard cap overnight. They'll probably be a transition period. Which means Brand could very well be off our books before it actually took effect.

Also, I imagine the NBA could do something similar to the Allan Houston rule to allow teams to get big contracts off there cap with no penalty (maybe the Elton Brand rule this time?). Bottom line is I wouldn't let the coming hard cap worry us in regards to Brand. His health would be a much better concern.

 

[The Memo Man]

It might cause some trouble for the hard cap. But there's no way the NBA could go from a cap like they have now to a hard cap overnight. They'll probably be a transition period. Which means Brand could very well be off our books before it actually took effect.

Also, I imagine the NBA could do something similar to the Allan Houston rule to allow teams to get big contracts off there cap with no penalty (maybe the Elton Brand rule this time?). Bottom line is I wouldn't let the coming hard cap worry us in regards to Brand. His health would be a much better concern.

What happens when a "Al Jefferson" or someone like him comes available next season or even during draft day? With Dalembert we could go after them, with Elton Brand we would just watch them go to boston or orlando...

 

[mixman]

What happens when a "Al Jefferson" or someone like him comes available next season or even during draft day? With Dalembert we could go after them, with Elton Brand we would just watch them go to boston or orlando...

Oh, I'm not really arguing with you. Just wanted to make that point clear. Sammy's clearly the best choice for flexibility.

 

[Man Called X]

What happens when a "Al Jefferson" or someone like him comes available next season or even during draft day? With Dalembert we could go after them, with Elton Brand we would just watch them go to boston or orlando...

Al Jefferson is already available, and he's not anything close to the player he was last year. I'm giving him one more year to turn it around, but if not, he's done.

How's that for an answer?

BTW, this is coming from a guy that drafted Big Al in 2 fantasy leagues and has watched him singlehandedly destroy both leagues.

 

[AMC]

I agree with Witness_Protection, Dalembert seems like a contract Ferry would love to get his hands on, he works his deals around making more deals, which makes me think how I love the way Ferry thinks. And I do think Minny will trade Big Al soon, like draft day.

 

[kovanovich]

new updates from 76ers insider (he posted them on the suns board tho):

responding to % chance Iggy to Phx happens....tho he answered about the % for any Iggy trade...


looks like they're sticking with the top 5 protection if Brand is dealt (and I know, many dont want Brand)


edit: and this was posted by a legit Suns insider:

It's been very clear from the beginning that Brand was not tradeable, especially with the likely changes in the next CBA. I would absolutely not want win in Cleveland.

Dalembert's contract is certainly more palatable, but even so it's a lot to take on. Even if you assume Delonte West is included in a Iggy/Sammy trade, the team's cap figure would stand at around $70m next year. That's without Shaq or Z. A couple of months ago, I wouldn't have had much of a problem with that, in view of the age of our centers, but now it seems Z might want to come back next year (and the Cavs might want him), and, so long as LeBron is here, Shaq certainly seems interested in spending another year in Cleveland. So there's arguably not much of a need for Sammy, and it hardly makes sense to pay a guy $12m+ (plus another $12m in luxury tax) when he's not needed...

But unless Philly REALLY likes Hickson and Green (or Eyenga), it's hard to see how the Cavs pull this off...

At first, a trade to Phoenix made no sense to me...Iguodala is viewed by some as a borderline bad contract in his own right and Philly has tried to trade Sammy for a couple of years, which tells you something about what the league feels about his contract...But looking at Phoenix's team salary for next year, if you replace Amare and J-Rich with Iggy and Sammy, they will be well under $60m, in other words, well under the luxury tax line. And their long term salary commitments are not burdensome. Iggy would really be the only long term contract of any significance.

So financially, even for a franchise with money issues like Phoenix, the trade makes some sense. However, this trade would effectively mean that Iguodala is Phoenix's main man going forward. Is he really up to that role? I thought the lesson in Philly was he isn't. I can't say that I would be optimistic about the team's future prospects with Iggy in the lead role...But then again, if Amare walks, and they can't add another comparable player because they won't have quite enough cap space, what do they do then? Rebuild, I guess, but it becomes sort of an inconvenience that you have Nash signed through 2012. I suppose you can trade him. Maybe.

Anyway, I think conceptually and in terms of fit, Iguodala makes more sense in Cleveland than Phoenix. Seems like an ideal situation for him professionally to play between LeBron and Mo. I really can't see how he helps PHX more than he does, potentially, the Cavs...

Of course, the Cavs can theoretically offer a bit better financial relief than Phoenix, and might actually have a young player or two of interest to them....

 

[Chris]

Loving the emotional roller coaster...

 

[Bison11]

So consensus is Iggy and Dally. Nice.

I just traded Z for Iggy in an NBA 2K10 association and the Cavs are fucking amazing with The Dala

 

[Ayatolla of Slamola]

You know what just hit me... There is a team up north of the border that could be interested in Philly's 1st round pick if we were able to acquire it with Iggy and Brand. Just not sure how we would could work a sign and trade with the Raptors for Bosh and have LeBron, Iggy, Brand all on the same roster. Gilbert would need to be willing to throw out $40 mil just to pay the luxury tax.

Maybe I should just go to sleep before I get my hopes up too much.

 

[MYoung23]

LeBron James hasn't been 225lbs since he was a sophomore in HS. James was 245lbs when he was drafted and he played PG as a rookie until the Jeff McInnis trade.

 

[MYoung23]

Why do people here have the Cavaliers giving up all these assets for a guy who is overpaid, on a team that is losing a lot of money and needs to dump money and is in a limited trade market where the Cavaliers have most if not all the leverage?