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"Big" Regular Season Games as a Playoff Predictor

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i'm not worried. it's just Mike Brown holding his cards close to his chest, like a true Popps disciple would.

And as for the "start winning" comment... puh-leeeze.... this team is winning more than any other in franchise history
 
i'm not worried. it's just Mike Brown holding his cards close to his chest, like a true Popps disciple would.

And as for the "start winning" comment... puh-leeeze.... this team is winning more than any other in franchise history

Umm.. what? any other franchise in history? That's not true....

Or do you mean, any other championship-less Cavaliers franchise in history?

How about "Let's start winning some important games then..." how's that? Like Game 7's away, statement games against conference rivals for home court, or our (hopefully) inevitable Finals match-up AT HOME no less......

Yea, let's win those games.. :thumbup:
 
What he wrote: "any other in franchise history" does not equal

What you wrote: "any other franchise in history"

Reading. It's fundamental.
 
The regular season can give a general idea of how a team may matchup against another. The problem though is that in the regular season you never know who has injury issues, coming off of a back to back, etc. There are other factors that come into play because teams are planning for the long term. In the playoffs, superstars get more minutes since they don't need to be rested for back to backs. A big reason why the Cavs are a better playoff team than a regular season team is because of LeBron and how he can take over a series.
 
Great post thewuck. It really sheds some light on the regular season just being the regular season and once the playoffs start that's what really matters.
 
What he wrote: "any other in franchise history" does not equal

What you wrote: "any other franchise in history"

Reading. It's fundamental.

Yeah, kinda like I understand his point and addressed it, yet you didn't seem to read that far... So since you missed it, I'll explain:

What ****ing difference does it make what our record is if we can't take the Lakers in 7 in L.A? Add to that, what ****ing difference does it make if we can't beat elite teams on the road and LeBron James is a free agent in 1 year???

Comprehension is a big part of reading, friend.... (or did you miss where I said "Or do you mean, any other championship-less Cavaliers franchise in history?" :chuckles:)
 
Honestly, our loss last night is inexcusable, period. The original post in this thread is fantastic, and can make us feel a lot better about our loss (or some of us at least); but it really doesn't address why Mike Brown decided to bench LeBron starting the 4th; why he allowed LBJ to chuck contested shots, 3-pointers, etc; why the call for man-to-man D was ignored by LeBron which ended up in terrible mismatches like Mo on Allen or West/Andy on Pierce; etc etc etc...

At what point does someone man up and suggest that our game plan isn't working and will not work going into the playoffs? My confidence in Mike Brown took a huge hit last night. When is he going to start coaching this team?


Well, I agree that Mike Brown's coaching was horrendous last night...but it was pretty easy to see that the defensive strategy we've been using for almost every game we've played was not what we used last night. We implemented some gimmick "don't let Allen or Pierce have the ball" garbage strategy on the defensive end. It didn't work, and I guarantee we never do it again. All it did was leave us short a big in the paint after a pass, and it didn't even affect Pierce or Allen, they weren't forced to do anything until later in the game when we finally switched off of it..but it was too late..they only had to play 1 quarter worth of offense, so of course they're going to kill it during that quarter.

It was just a bad strategy that MB though would be good because KG was out, he though "If I blitz Allen and Catfish, they won't have anybody". It would have worked at the Q probably, but not in the Garden. I guarantee you us staying home and taking them 1 on 1 and just focusing on stopping their role players(Rondo, Perkins, Davis), while staying home on Allen and putting LeBron on Pierce(normal LeBron, not once in a blue moon big softy LeBron). We would have beat them with that strategy last night, and we would scorch them with that strategy at the Q, even with Garnett(oh hey, we already did..by 15)

Just a bad gimmick call by Mike Brown. Simple as that. I'm sure he realizes he screwed it up, and I'm sure it won't happen again. The only thing I really question Mike Brown about is his rotations, and him taking LBJ out to start the fourth. Those are what I'm not confident in, but in the playoffs he always seems to have a solid, set rotation.


Not to mention, we still have a game on the Celts, and we still get to beat the crap out of them at the Q one more time. We're gonna get home-court, and even better, we're gonna take game 6 in Boston in the ECF and win the series 4-2 to move on to the finals.

Then in the finals, barring more injuries and assuming Ben comes back(for the sake of argument), L.A. will get a dose of a 4 deep big rotation, coupled by a completely healthy back-court and 48 minutes of pure LeBron James hell.

The L.A. series will go 7 games. Game 7 will be a tie game at some point in the last three minutes. LeBron vs. Kobe. Kobe hits a fade-away, LeBron hits a lay-up...Kobe hits a three, LeBron answers with an and-1 dunk..35 seconds left, Kobe drives, gets swarmed on...triple teamed...spins, stutter steps, pump fakes, spins back,then takes a bad fade away shot over LeBron, Delonte, and Z all in his face...*CLANK* he misses, Joe Smith grabs the rebound....Mike Brown calls timeout. 10 seconds left.

Mike Brown doesn't even talk, everyone knows what the play is. We inbound to LeBron. He takes it at the top of the key...L.A. has a foul to give..he immediately drives in..they use it. 8 seconds left, plenty of time. LeBron gets the ball, drives past Kobe on the right side meets Bynum, spins, Gasol, Bynum and Kobe are surrounding him, 3.8 seconds left. It's like watching a replay of Kobe's drive, except instead of spinning, stutter stepping, pump faking, and spinning again into a fade away miss, LeBron dishes to a wide open Mo Williams in the corner....1.3 seconds. Mo shoots...ball in mid-air...buzzer sounds....SWISH.


The Cavs will bring home the Larry O' Brien trophy, and all of you negative "it's the end of the world" posters will claim you believed in the Cavs all along.

Book it.
 
If the Cavs win it all, whenever that happens, the last thing I'm going to do is remember their regular season record or any road games they lost in the regular season.

Likewise, if the Cavs lose in the playoffs, I'm not going to take any comfort in a great regular season record or some games they won in the regular season.

I think they have a good shot at home-court, but even if they get it, that still guarantees nothing, as the last 5 years tell us. The worst thing that could happen for the Cavs is to get the top seed and then get complacent (see: Mavs/Warriors). It's also not certain that the Cavs would have to face ______ or that the series would go 7 games and be settled on the road. Some crazy stuff is likely to happen before and during the playoffs.

One of the best things about the Cavs schedule this year is that they have so many games at home to finish off the season. They can get healthy, get rest with home blowouts (hopefully), practice more frequently, and not waste time traveling. Hopefully, they'll get the #1 seed in the process. If not, well, they've won on the road in previous playoffs (just not last year without Mo vs. the Celtics with Posey) and they'll have to figure out how to do it again.

The last 17 games are really going to help the team get ready for when the real season begins.
 
Well, I agree that Mike Brown's coaching was horrendous last night...but it was pretty easy to see that the defensive strategy we've been using for almost every game we've played was not what we used last night. We implemented some gimmick "don't let Allen or Pierce have the ball" garbage strategy on the defensive end. It didn't work, and I guarantee we never do it again. All it did was leave us short a big in the paint after a pass, and it didn't even affect Pierce or Allen, they weren't forced to do anything until later in the game when we finally switched off of it..but it was too late..they only had to play 1 quarter worth of offense, so of course they're going to kill it during that quarter.

First off, great post! :thumbup:

I can totally see what you're saying and agree that's probably what happened.. But where was plan B? Why does it take 2 quarters to determine that you need to stop the Celtics scrubs from scoring in the paint over and over and over? And then what amazed me was when Mike Brown said so confidently "We're going to transition to man-to-man, blah blah" but lo and behold, LBJ is nowhere near Paul Pierce half the time... TheWuck pointed out that he's tired, 4th game in 6 days, etc, so I understand that -- I really do... But if that's the case, why not bring in our defensive specialist in Sasha, stick Delonte (who's been playing great defensive, check him out on ****ing Wade man. Bravo!) on Allen, and keep Mo on bum-ass Rondo. Move LBJ to the 4 and tell him to play zone with Andy/Z. That never happened. Not once. LeBron was totally lost on defense and needed help... Not from other players, but from Mike Brown.. That's what didn't make sense to me.

The L.A. series will go 7 games. Game 7 will be a tie game at some point in the last three minutes. LeBron vs. Kobe.

Good God, I hope you're wrong, man. Kobe vs LeBron in L.A.? Hell, in Cleveland? Ugggghhhhhh....... :( The thought makes me ill.. Problem is, I've seen LeBron get shut down consistently. Kobe, when hot, is unstoppable. Solely because he can shoot so many different jumpers from anywhere, and because he's got 2 7-footers (Gasol+Bynum) or even Odom (who can shoot okay) backing him up. And most importantly, he's got 3 rings to rub his back and comfort him as he goes up for every shot..

Man... I want to kill the Lakers in 5 games... If it goes 7 (which it most likely would), it better be in Cleveland, and we better be trouncing them early on, with plenty of help from the refs ;)
 
If the Cavs win it all, whenever that happens, the last thing I'm going to do is remember their regular season record or any road games they lost in the regular season.

Likewise, if the Cavs lose in the playoffs, I'm not going to take any comfort in a great regular season record or some games they won in the regular season.

Agreed...

One thing we can say about the Cavs is that they protect home court at all costs... The one loss we had (to me) was a fluke due to injury, fatigue, and complacency.. If we get home court, it's a huge advantage; at least, going into the ECF. I fully expect the Cavaliers to clinch the #1 seed... I'd be pretty disappointed if we didn't. (If we won the Finals, I obviously wouldn't give a shit, but for that period of time, I'd be pretty mad ;) )
 
Good God, I hope you're wrong, man. Kobe vs LeBron in L.A.? Hell, in Cleveland? Ugggghhhhhh....... :( The thought makes me ill.. Problem is, I've seen LeBron get shut down consistently. Kobe, when hot, is unstoppable. Solely because he can shoot so many different jumpers from anywhere, and because he's got 2 7-footers (Gasol+Bynum) or even Odom (who can shoot okay) backing him up. And most importantly, he's got 3 rings to rub his back and comfort him as he goes up for every shot..

Man... I want to kill the Lakers in 5 games... If it goes 7 (which it most likely would), it better be in Cleveland, and we better be trouncing them early on, with plenty of help from the refs ;)

Won't matter in the end, when it comes down to it, no way Kobe lets anyone except for himself take a shot with less than a minute left in a tie game, LeBron has PROVEN he WILL make the right BASKETBALL play.

Mo "Hitman" Williams for 3, deep in the Staples Center, for the Larry o Brien trophy.
 
TheWuck pointed out that he's tired, 4th game in 6 days, etc.

LeBron being tired (or the team being tired) was no excuse for Brown to go with the gimmick defense or to use Joe Smith so much in his first game since Feb. 10 or not to use _____ or _____ or _____ to sub for some of the starters. So, I'm with you on how Brown did not push the right buttons for the Celtics game, especially on defense. If anything, the team being tired was a reason to buy time with more players.

I only pointed out the LeBron issue to account for the fact that there are reasons he looks tired right now and his shot is out of sync. I don't think there's extra reason for concern about that.
 
Yeah, kinda like I understand his point and addressed it, yet you didn't seem to read that far... So since you missed it, I'll explain:


No, I read that far, which made it even more mysterious to me that you completely misquoted/mischaracterized Joe's post...only to make a point you wanted to make but in a very circuitous fashion. Just an odd path to take is all...

My bad.
 

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