Browns rant thread.

[AZ_]

Coleman's catchable ball rate is hilariously low, but he hauls in roughly the same number of catchable targets as anyone.

Thomas is crazy good, he was developed to be.

Coleman is 24 and the fans will give up on him before he goes somewhere else to produce and the fans lament the "new" front office for giving up a guy with obvious talent.

Could be worse, they could have taken LaQuan Treadwell as so many on here wanted.

Good to see the argument shifted to Michael Thomas now that he's actually successfully developed.

 

[CBBI]

Thomas is a nice player, but he absolutely landed in the best possible situation for a WR.

-Hall of Fame QB who completes 70% of his passes with pin point ball placement throwing to him.

-Offensive mastermind head coach whose offenses have led the league in pass attempts five times and passing yards seven times calling plays and designing schemes.

-A minimum of nine games a year indoors.

Thomas only averages 12.2 career YPC, well below than the likes of Brown, Hopkins, Julio, Thielen, Cooper, Beckham and even Corey Coleman.

I give him full credit for his ability to run sharp routes and his hands. He’s certainly very talented. But his numbers are obviously inflated by a offense that targets him a lot and a supremely accurate QB making the throws on those targets.

Stick Coleman in that Saints offense and people would be falling over themselves talking about him.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Thomas is obviously very good, but he absolutely was not the best prospect in last year's draft. That would go to Josh Doctson. Corey Coleman was a better prospect as well. As I've mentioned on here dozens of times, he was an absolutely elite athlete who was insanely dominant in college. He accounted for almost 45% of his team's receiving yards and touchdowns in college. That is an absolutely insane number, and college dominance is a trait that tends to bode very well for NFL prospects, especially when you couple it with elite athletic measurables.

And given that he just finished his second year with the worst QB play in the NFL, it's insane to give up on him already. Guys break out in year three literally every year. We saw Thielen do it last year, and Thielen didn't really even have any flashes before that like Coleman has had. Funchess and Agholor broke out this year. Another couple of third year guys will almost certainly break out next year, and I think Coleman and Doctson are the prime candidates.

 

[Phills14]

If Coleman can stay healthy and we can actually have a legit QB to throw him the ball, it won't take long for these takes to disappear. Coleman is a very talented WR. So far health has been a problem for him so it's hard to say if he'll ever be reliable with that. As far as a QB, well that's not his fault.

 

[Ohio]

Coleman's catchable ball rate is hilariously low, but he hauls in roughly the same number of catchable targets as anyone.

Thomas is crazy good, he was developed to be.

Coleman is 24 and the fans will give up on him before he goes somewhere else to produce and the fans lament the "new" front office for giving up a guy with obvious talent.

Could be worse, they could have taken LaQuan Treadwell as so many on here wanted.

Good to see the argument shifted to Michael Thomas now that he's actually successfully developed.

I don't see anyone giving up on Coleman. In fact, when Grossi hinted at the Browns giving up on him, everyone here was saying that was a bad idea.

I can't speak for others but just a simple search will show what a given poster was saying about Thomas or Treadwell back then. No hindsight here.

 

[Chris]

Coleman's catchable ball rate is hilariously low, but he hauls in roughly the same number of catchable targets as anyone.

Thomas is crazy good, he was developed to be.

Coleman is 24 and the fans will give up on him before he goes somewhere else to produce and the fans lament the "new" front office for giving up a guy with obvious talent.

Could be worse, they could have taken LaQuan Treadwell as so many on here wanted.

Good to see the argument shifted to Michael Thomas now that he's actually successfully developed.

I too am looking forward to seeing Coleman with a competent QB...I know many on here are in love with him. But to claim nobody wanted Michael Thomas before he was “developed” is untrue.

Havent given up on Corey yet.

 

[AZ_]

I too am looking forward to seeing Coleman with a competent QB...I know many on here are in love with him. But to claim nobody wanted Michael Thomas before he was “developed” is untrue.

Havent given up on Corey yet.

There are zero people on this board who wanted Michael Thomas where Corey Coleman was drafted.

 

[Ohio]

Thomas is a nice player, but he absolutely landed in the best possible situation for a WR.

-Hall of Fame QB who completes 70% of his passes with pin point ball placement throwing to him.

-Offensive mastermind head coach whose offenses have led the league in pass attempts five times and passing yards seven times calling plays and designing schemes.

-A minimum of nine games a year indoors.

Thomas only averages 12.2 career YPC, well below than the likes of Brown, Hopkins, Julio, Thielen, Cooper, Beckham and even Corey Coleman.

I give him full credit for his ability to run sharp routes and his hands. He’s certainly very talented. But his numbers are obviously inflated by a offense that targets him a lot and a supremely accurate QB making the throws on those targets.

Stick Coleman in that Saints offense and people would be falling over themselves talking about him.

Last year the Saints had the best possible future version of Corey Coleman in Brandin Cooks.

Michael Thomas walked in there as a rookie, stole his lunch money and his job as the #1 WR on the team. Then Cooks cried about it and got himself traded. Pretty funny, actually.

Thomas gets the targets because he's dependable. He's an awesome route runner, gets himself open and catches the passes. No other WR in that draft has, or had, the route running and hands that he does.

But...he doesn't run a 4.3 so he's probably not great on Madden.

 

[Chris]

There are zero people on this board who wanted Michael Thomas where Corey Coleman was drafted.

This is different from implying nobody on here wanted Michael Thomas. I won't speak for other people though.

 

[Ohio]

Mike has been the best WR in the class, by far, since Day Zero. And that will never change. Oh well.

 

[Los216]

Last year the Saints had the best possible future version of Corey Coleman in Brandin Cooks.

Michael Thomas walked in there as a rookie, stole his lunch money and his job as the #1 WR on the team. Then Cooks cried about it and got himself traded. Pretty funny, actually.

Thomas gets the targets because he's dependable. He's an awesome route runner, gets himself open and catches the passes. No other WR in that draft has, or had, the route running and hands that he does.

But...he doesn't run a 4.3 so he's probably not great on Madden.

Comparing Brandin Cooks to Corey Coleman is such a bad take.

Mike has been the best WR in the class, by far, since Day Zero. And that will never change. Oh well.

It would change instantly if you swapped Drew Brees with DeShone Kizer.

 

[Ohio]

Comparing Brandin Cooks to Corey Coleman is such a bad take.

Because..?

It would change instantly if you swapped Drew Brees with DeShone Kizer.

Nope.

 

[Los216]

Because..?


Nope.

Because Brandin Cooks wishes he was athletic or as physical as Corey Coleman. How good would Mike T look with Kizer as his QB? I'll go out on a limb and say that he wouldn't be the fastest player to whatever amount of catches record he broke.

 

[AZ_]

Nope.

Wait, your argument is that Coleman's 30% catch rate wouldn't be different with Drew Brees?

It's all just Michael Thomas' and Cooks' talent which carried them to such success at such a young age?

 

[Ohio]

Because Brandin Cooks wishes he was athletic or as physical as Corey Coleman. How good would Mike T look with Kizer as his QB? I'll go out on a limb and say that he wouldn't be the fastest player to whatever amount of catches record he broke.

Might be the first time I've seen Corey Coleman referred to as physical. I learned something new today, thanks.

Wait, your argument is that Coleman's 30% catch rate wouldn't be different with Drew Brees?

It's all just Michael Thomas' and Cooks' talent which carried them to such success at such a young age?

No, that's not my argument. Thomas obviously wouldn't have broken that NFL catch record with Kizer throwing him balls (although Kizer wasn't Coleman's QB last year) and Coleman would obviously have more catchable balls with Brees as his QB. My argument is simply that Michael Thomas is better than Corey Coleman. Just like he was in College, even though Coleman was the one more productive then due to the players and systems each played with & against.

But, this will take care of itself next year when the Browns have somewhat of a respectable QB room, since apparently it's still in doubt to some people.