Browns trade Kizer for Randall

[natedagg]

Kizer for Randall was grand theft airplane.

Love Randall and stoked that he wants to re-sign here forever.

 

[Lee]

What was worth it?

The mythical ability of mentorship that you don't even know if Taylor provided? Whom Mayfield hasn't said a word about while calling out Stanton as a mentor by name?


Seriously, what was the benefit?

Turns out no, it wasn't. But not many rookie QB's are this ready from day 1. When the trade was made it was an ok move, turns out it was a waste. My whole point is the hindsight factor is easy to judge.

 

[TyGuy]

Turns out no, it wasn't. But not many rookie QB's are this ready from day 1. When the trade was made it was an ok move, turns out it was a waste. My whole point is the hindsight factor is easy to judge.

I guess we will just have to disagree on that one. It just always seemed like a waste to use an asset on a guy that had no future here. It created a situation where Baker wasn't given a proper opportunity to compete for the starting job as well.

 

[CBBI]

Turns out no, it wasn't. But not many rookie QB's are this ready from day 1. When the trade was made it was an ok move, turns out it was a waste. My whole point is the hindsight factor is easy to judge.

I still firmly stand behind my initial thoughts that trading a top 65 draft pick for any player with 1 year left on his deal who 100% won't be back the following year is not a good use of assets.

 

[DirtyDan]

I still firmly stand behind my initial thoughts that trading a top 65 draft pick for any player with 1 year left on his deal who 100% won't be back the following year is not a good use of assets.

Even if he came back, I don't think a high-end backup is worth a 3rd round pick

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

One of the things that people get so irate with insurance is that they view their insurance policy as an investment

“I’ve paid into this for X years and it’s never given me a dime”

As if the insurance was thereby a bad purchase or “investment”

But in reality, it served its exact purpose. Protection against adverse circumstances. I like the comparison of Tyrod to an insurance policy. We didn’t need that insurance any longer when the adverse outcome (Mayfield not being ready) didn’t happen. And this insurance policy actually did pay some dividends with helping to show Mayfield what it means to be an NFL QB

 

[godfather]

Mayfield came into the league at age 23. I mean, if you're taken number 1 overall, and you're already that age. But not ready, maybe you just aren't good..

That's why a lot of us question this move. This is not the old NFL. Patrick Mahomes is probably going to win MVP at 23. Goff is just 24. Now, I get it, guys like this and even Mayfield are anomalies.

But this mentor QB shit is overrated. Just stick them with a good offensive minded coach.

We failed to do that with Baker (Todd Haley), but accidentally did with Kitchens.

No one can tell me Tyrod Taylor made dent of difference in what Baker did this year.

Trading a third round pick for him at the time was DUMB! And it turned out to be even worse in hindsight.

 

[DJTJ]

Kizer for Randall was grand theft airplane.

Love Randall and stoked that he wants to re-sign here forever.

I’ve seen the resign thing a few times and can’t find a quote. Where did this come from?

 

[natedagg]

I’ve seen the resign thing a few times and can’t find a quote. Where did this come from?

It’s on RCF, which is my only source. I didn’t make it up.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Mayfield came into the league at age 23. I mean, if you're taken number 1 overall, and you're already that age. But not ready, maybe you just aren't good..

That's why a lot of us question this move. This is not the old NFL. Patrick Mahomes is probably going to win MVP at 23. Goff is just 24. Now, I get it, guys like this and even Mayfield are anomalies.

But this mentor QB shit is overrated. Just stick them with a good offensive minded coach.

We failed to do that with Baker (Todd Haley), but accidentally did with Kitchens.

No one can tell me Tyrod Taylor made dent of difference in what Baker did this year.

Trading a third round pick for him at the time was DUMB! And it turned out to be even worse in hindsight.

You'd obviously hope that Mayfield would have been able to win the starting job sooner than later.

But until that point...unprofessional/incompetent QB play destroys morale, and makes it very difficult for your other skill position players to develop. It can even screw over your defense if the offense can't get off the field.

Taylor was insurance in case Mayfield wasn't ready. He was expensive insurance, but Dorsey 's No. 1 priority was trying to ensure we had at least decent QB play. Turns out Tyrod didn't give us even that, though that may have been due to the incompetence of Hue/Haley.

 

[godfather]

You'd obviously hope that Mayfield would have been able to win the starting job sooner than later.

But until that point...unprofessional/incompetent QB play destroys morale, and makes it very difficult for your other skill position players to develop. It can even screw over your defense if the offense can't get off the field.

Taylor was insurance in case Mayfield wasn't ready. He was expensive insurance, but Dorsey 's No. 1 priority was trying to ensure we had at least decent QB play. Turns out Tyrod didn't give us even that, though that may have been due to the incompetence of Hue/Haley.

I just don't see how they even thought this. Mayfield should have been the starter from DAY ONE! You could find plenty of veteran and wise Josh McClown's in the league to come in and mentor him.

It was obvious from day one in preseason, this guy needs to start. There was no question about it. NONE.

The fact they didn't see that kinda bothers me. Hell, the freakin' Jets saw Darnold should start right away. We had an even more ready QB and we saw fit to bury him on the bench, and throw away a draft pick while doing it.

I like Dorsey, but he deserves a real WTF and F- for this move.

 

[godfather]

You always play the young QB. Why? Because that's how they really learn.

Unless he's going to learn playing behind Brett Favre, or Joe Montana. You know, all-time great hall of famers that mastered the position. Some infamous great QBs that sat for awhile, and really benefited from.

Are we going to seriously say to ourselves, Mayfield was going to learn something playing behind fucking Tyrod Taylor?

Look, the guy was overvalued. He played for the Buffalo Bills. A team that's starving for a QB as bad as us.

They were on pace to make the playoffs, and STILL benched him during that season.

Why?

Because HE'S NOT THAT GOOD.

I mean, if we were going to bring in someone that was actually good, and try to win for morale of the fan base. I could at least get it.

But to take Baker at age 23 (not that young!) number 1 overall, and then trade for a bottom of the barrel going to be run out of town anyways starter.

Really?

Even if you remove hindsight it just seems pretty stupid to me.

 

[dark2332]

I just don't see how they even thought this. Mayfield should have been the starter from DAY ONE! You could find plenty of veteran and wise Josh McClown's in the league to come in and mentor him.

It was obvious from day one in preseason, this guy needs to start. There was no question about it. NONE.

The fact they didn't see that kinda bothers me. Hell, the freakin' Jets saw Darnold should start right away. We had an even more ready QB and we saw fit to bury him on the bench, and throw away a draft pick while doing it.

I like Dorsey, but he deserves a real WTF and F- for this move.

Again. For the 3rd time. We traded for Tyrod in mid-March.

The draft didn’t occur until 6 weeks later.

We hadn’t even worked out all of the QB’s yet, much less decided who we were going to draft.

Taylor was about stabilizing the position independent of our #1 pick. He had just taken an untalented Bills team to the playoffs.

As @The Human Q-Tip mentions, Dorsey was not going to let us go through another year like 2017. It destroyed all hope and stunted development. He wanted to have a plan in place to make sure we were competitive.

The mistake wasn’t trading for Taylor. The mistake was refusing to let Mayfield compete once he proved in camp that he was significantly ahead of schedule in a way that was unprecedented.

 

[chrisrich91]

At a certain point everyone has made their position clear, and no one is going to change their stance. There’s a difference in philosophy here. People have been making the same point and counterpoint for the last couple pages.

So how about we stop this repetitive as hell Tyrod discussion (in the Kizer/Randall trade thread btw) and move on with our lives?

 

[dark2332]

At a certain point everyone has made their position clear, and no one is going to change their stance. There’s a difference in philosophy here. People have been making the same point and counterpoint for the last couple pages.

So how about we stop this repetitive as hell Tyrod discussion (in the Kizer/Randall trade thread btw) and move on with our lives?

Fair enough, I’ll drop it. It just bothers me that some cannot see why it mattered from a timeline perspective.

Tyrod Taylor was traded here March 10th, 2018.

Baker Mayfield didn’t even have his Pro Day until March 14th, 2018. Team workouts even later.