Cavs acquire Sam Dekker (Official)

[BrutX15]

3 white sf's = worst sf depth in entire NBA.

Imagine how bad our depth will be if we re-sign Rodney Hood. It would be like a triple dekker golden oreo with no filling.

 

[avs2000]

Imagine how bad our depth will be if we re-sign Rodney Hood. It would be like a triple dekker golden oreo with no filling.

With Nwaba and dekker sign I would rescind qualifying offer. Let him walk. Do not want to tie up 26-30 mil in hood

 

[Dr. Claw]

Welp, I mean, it was either him or Okaro White.

Worry no further about the Cavs pick conveying to ATL.

 

[CleveRocks]

Niether dekkar, nor Nwaba are signings you make when you are gunning for the ring, but they are smart signings for a team in transition. Either one of these guys show enough potentially to be a low cost serviceable player. Same could be said of Billy.

Hood has had his chance to win a big contract, and he left it on the table.if he signs a team freindly contact great, if he signs a QO, then he rides pine or we let him walk..

We are not going to bring another star in this year, our best shot is to create a team that can defend, and try to convince a star to take a shot with us..

While you cannot replace the GOAT, I think you can assemble a good team without him. I think Hill , JR ( at his best) TT and Love could be a playoff team with a good small forward like Leonard for example..

That JR (and TT for that matter) did not play even good ball last year until the playoffs makes them problematic this year.. but perhaps regular practice would have helped them..

I will add this about Dekkar. He has the best PER differential of any of our current Small Forwards except Korver, when playing small forward. Put him on the floor with Cedi, Nance, Love and Sexton, and you should have a pretty good defensive squad and a bunch of busy active bigs that will be hard to guard them all.

Dekkar also got some minutes last year, mostly at power forward, even though his numbers at small forward were impressively better than the other small forwards that played and generally sucked nads. (Wes Johnson, Thornwell for example). He was way better at SF than Nwaba, who was only passable at shooting guard.

With Dekkar, I see our starters as Hill, Clarkson, Osman, TT and Love, with Sexton, Nance, Frye and Korver off the bench. JR could show up at the 2 if we dont trade him and he returns to his better form. Zizic could come out stronger than Frye if he has a break out year. I am not seeing Hood at this point, but could be wrong. I think we will try to move JR, Hill, TT and Korver at the break depending on how well the new guys play.

 

[Lee]

Imagine how bad our depth will be if we re-sign Rodney Hood. It would be like a triple dekker golden oreo with no filling.

Rodney isn't great, but honestly is a much better player than what Dekkar will ever be. Not mad at the trade for him, worth a shot for free, but I think we are under rating Hood because he is asking for too much money.

 

[Cavatt]

Rodney isn't great, but honestly is a much better player than what Dekkar will ever be. Not mad at the trade for him, worth a shot for free, but I think we are under rating Hood because he is asking for too much money.

Well if Dekker is a good defender as he appears to be he is better than Hood. Hood can score in volume, and Dekker appears not to be able to do that.

If Hood was as good as you say, you would think he would get a single offer in RFA since the Cavs seem like they would not match. He hasn't gotten an offer as far as we can tell and even the Cavs are unwilling to spend MLE money on him. Like how good can he be? He turned out to have one of the worst playoff runs of all time, his old team loves Crowder in comparison, and the Utah fans are glad he is gone.

We watched this guy disappear on the court for 4 months and then have a single good game in the playoffs. He refused to go in a game, and now he wants 10's of millions for playing extremely poorly and inconsistently.

 

[Lee]

Well if Dekker is a good defender as he appears to be he is better than Hood. Hood can score in volume, and Dekker appears not to be able to do that.

If Hood was as good as you say, you would think he would get a single offer in RFA since the Cavs seem like they would not match. He hasn't gotten an offer as far as we can tell and even the Cavs are unwilling to spend MLE money on him. Like how good can he be? He turned out to have one of the worst playoff runs of all time, his old team loves Crowder in comparison, and the Utah fans are glad he is gone.

We watched this guy disappear on the court for 4 months and then have a single good game in the playoffs. He refused to go in a game, and now he wants 10's of millions for playing extremely poorly and inconsistently.

I am sure his agent has talked to teams, just not excepted an offer.

And Hood doesn't move the needle for me, I never said he was good, I said he is better than Dekkar. I don't believe hood is worth the full MLE and he wants more than that. Just saying we are over rating Dekkar because he is new and hasn't pissed us off yet like Hood has.

 

[Douglar]

This would be close, but we all know AC calls Fred “Frit”

And Frit is the guy who likes to say "Rubber rim job".

Anyway, I though the Cavs had signed Rick Deckard when I first head the news. Boy was I disappointed when I finally stopped doing work and started reading sports on the internet, only to find out is was Sam Dekkar. Still, the guy could turn out to be the next Danny Green if he can get it together.

 

[Cavatt]

I am sure his agent has talked to teams, just not excepted an offer.

And Hood doesn't move the needle for me, I never said he was good, I said he is better than Dekkar. I don't believe hood is worth the full MLE and he wants more than that. Just saying we are over rating Dekkar because he is new and hasn't pissed us off yet like Hood has.

That's the thing though, all he has to do is defend adequately and not be a - on the floor and he is better. Strangely, Hood has a lower offensive rating. Maybe because he is less efficient and never really helps anyone else score. Dekker is a good screener at the very least.

Hood's a better shooter and that is it. At this point given the minutes each has played in their career I think Dekker has a better shot at becoming something else. I think we know what Hood is.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Rodney isn't great, but honestly is a much better player than what Dekkar will ever be. Not mad at the trade for him, worth a shot for free, but I think we are under rating Hood because he is asking for too much money.

Maybe, maybe not. Dekker appears to be putting up more effort. He's been working hard this summer and may play better team ball. If he can bring some hustle, he may be overall better because his defensive upside is better. He's a good screener and actually grades out pretty good on offensive rebounds. He can play SF or PF and he's young enough that there may be some upside left.

Chances are that neither Hood or Dekker is ever anything good. Both could be decent, but Hood has issues with attitude and work ethic.

Dekker also is a very low risk. They're on the hook for one season at under $3M. They can give him a QO as well to have the option of retaining him. Low price to pay for a former first rounder that may be able to do more than he has shown. Probably not, but a worthwhile risk.

Hood is less worthwhile if the contract gets too high. The Cavs now have a lot of options at SG/SF so there's no need to break the bank. If he wants to sign for a shorter deal at a lower price and try to prove himself then good for him, but right now I'd not do more than 3/21 for him with all the options on the roster, maybe less. Even if they trade Korver, I don't see a ton of minutes for him. Same if they trade JR. Nwaba and Clarkson will man the 2 then. Cedi and Dekker at the 3 with Dekker also playing some at the 4 - he could get 30mpg between those two positions if he can earn it.

This is Dekker's opportunity to show what he can do. Let's see if he wants to grab the opportunity and maximize it.

 

[Lee]

Maybe, maybe not. Dekker appears to be putting up more effort. He's been working hard this summer and may play better team ball. If he can bring some hustle, he may be overall better because his defensive upside is better. He's a good screener and actually grades out pretty good on offensive rebounds. He can play SF or PF and he's young enough that there may be some upside left.

Chances are that neither Hood or Dekker is ever anything good. Both could be decent, but Hood has issues with attitude and work ethic.

Dekker also is a very low risk. They're on the hook for one season at under $3M. They can give him a QO as well to have the option of retaining him. Low price to pay for a former first rounder that may be able to do more than he has shown. Probably not, but a worthwhile risk.

Hood is less worthwhile if the contract gets too high. The Cavs now have a lot of options at SG/SF so there's no need to break the bank. If he wants to sign for a shorter deal at a lower price and try to prove himself then good for him, but right now I'd not do more than 3/21 for him with all the options on the roster, maybe less. Even if they trade Korver, I don't see a ton of minutes for him. Same if they trade JR. Nwaba and Clarkson will man the 2 then. Cedi and Dekker at the 3 with Dekker also playing some at the 4 - he could get 30mpg between those two positions if he can earn it.

This is Dekker's opportunity to show what he can do. Let's see if he wants to grab the opportunity and maximize it.

I agree. Hood is better player but has a ton of attitude issues, Dekkar is lower risk but really isn't a great player although he plays with hustle and effort.

Both suck, lol.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

I agree. Hood is better player but has a ton of attitude issues, Dekkar is lower risk but really isn't a great player although he plays with hustle and effort.

Both suck, lol.

I think Dekker has a higher probability of turning into something. It's still a low probability, but he's also extremely low risk. The risk with Hood goes up with each added dollar you pay him above probably $6M or so a season. He could go off and then become a valuable trade asset at that point.

If I'm the Cavs, I try to get Hood on a three year deal for between 18-21M with the third year partially guaranteed on a team option. I probably try to play him a lot to see if he can put up some nice numbers during the season. If he can get back to 15ppg+ he could be an attractive asset as the trade deadline approaches to someone that thinks he can help them. That's the way you may be able to flip him into something better, even if it is a mid or late first. That gives you more control over that player's selection and development.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

I think Dekker has a higher probability of turning into something. It's still a low probability, but he's also extremely low risk. The risk with Hood goes up with each added dollar you pay him above probably $6M or so a season. He could go off and then become a valuable trade asset at that point.

If I'm the Cavs, I try to get Hood on a three year deal for between 18-21M with the third year partially guaranteed on a team option. I probably try to play him a lot to see if he can put up some nice numbers during the season. If he can get back to 15ppg+ he could be an attractive asset as the trade deadline approaches to someone that thinks he can help them. That's the way you may be able to flip him into something better, even if it is a mid or late first. That gives you more control over that player's selection and development.

6M you say?

Oh man, I thought people that had those kind of numbers in their head were clueless about the NBA or life in general.

I guess my post was strong af. Too funny man! ha!

 

[Nathan S]

I agree. Hood is better player but has a ton of attitude issues, Dekkar is lower risk but really isn't a great player although he plays with hustle and effort.

Both suck, lol.

Is that true, though? It's not like Dekker was some random undrafted guy who worked hard and hustled and carved out a rotation spot. He was a really good player in college who got drafted 18th overall and looked reasonably promising once he started getting regular rotation minutes as a sophomore in Houston. Then he was traded to the Clippers in the CP3 trade, didn't have a consistent rotation role at all, and his production absolutely cratered. Different skillset than Hood, but similar in that he really struggled to adapt to a changing role and in that he didn't make a good effort to expand and modernize his game.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

6M you say?

Oh man, I thought people that had those kind of numbers in their head were clueless about the NBA or life in general.

I guess my post was strong af. Too funny man! ha!

I've revised my opinion, especially in light of roster acquisitions. The Cavs are in a strong position and you made some good arguments against him. I don't mind saying I was wrong there and eating some crow.

I still think Hood could trend upward, but there's no reason to have an excess risk on him. I think Koby has done a good job covering his bases and putting the Cavs in a stronger position than they were a month ago. Nwaba and Dekker have upside, greater than Hood does. I don't think either is very likely to turn into an amazing piece, but I think both are lower risk. Still have yet to see Nwaba's contract numbers. I think they are holding that back for a reason - more moves are coming. Vardon says they are shopping JR and Korver still, so would not be surprised to see more moved over next week.

Wouldn't be opposed to someone biting on Hood on a S&T either, though his market is small - at least at whatever price he is asking.

I also suspect we may see a market for Tristan as we get into the season due to his ability to manage Horford. He has some appeal for any team wanting to take the crown in the East.