Chief Wahoo Discussion

[AZ_]

Spiders is terrible. Probably because I abhor spiders. If they change the name, literally anything but Spiders (not that they are changing it).

I don't even think the Native American community is protesting the team name. At least I haven't seen much in the way of that as a narrative.

Is the name change anything other than a false flag for those who want to divert attention from the fact the mascot is wholly racist and insensitive?

Don't think I've seen any evidence to suggest it isn't.

 

[Nom]

I don't even think the Native American community is protesting the team name. At least I haven't seen much in the way of that as a narrative.

Is the name change anything other than a false flag for those who want to divert attention from the fact the mascot is wholly racist and insensitive?

Don't think I've seen any evidence to suggest it isn't.

I think the point is that if you're changing the logo - just go the whole way. If you keep Indians it's going to be very hard to create a logo that isn't fairly offensive, and you're still putting dumb fans in position where they paint their face or wear headdresses.

Also - Indians is a crappy sports team name, anyway.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I don't even think the Native American community is protesting the team name. At least I haven't seen much in the way of that as a narrative.

Is the name change anything other than a false flag for those who want to divert attention from the fact the mascot is wholly racist and insensitive?

Don't think I've seen any evidence to suggest it isn't.

I laid out the exact reason for my argument, and you ignored it.

That's because since it isn't your argument you see no merit in it.

You just refuse to see things in any point of view but your own.

I agree that I don't think the name is a problem. I simply don't see a reason to keep a name when you remove everything related to that name. If we are going to get rid of anything Indian related, to me it makes sense to just pick a different team name. So we can have a logo other than a block letter C that has nothing to do with our team name.

Now give me a red X.

 

[AZ_]

Except they're not releasing everything related to the name.

They're releasing the racist mascot associated with it, that's it.

You'll still have the old script I logo if necessary, still have the "Tribe," still have the name itself.

 

[Pyro]

Spiders is terrible. Probably because I abhor spiders. If they change the name, literally anything but Spiders (not that they are changing it).

I mean, I hate spiders too, and I check my ceiling every night before bed to make sure there isn't one crawling along up there, but I would totally get behind them as a team name.

 

[The Oi]

All kidding aside the franchise needs an overhaul.

Step 1: Change Indians to something. As long as it doesn't sound like a minor league team I'm cool with it.

Step 2: Fire the horrible marketing team & whichever local agency keeps producing these terrible campaigns. I know Brokaw was involved in the late 2000's, and its been awful since. Not blaming them, but all ties need to be cut with whomever.

Step 3: Bring in deeper pockets. The Dolans have made it clear that they have no desire to sell the team. Fine. Bring in minority partners that create buzz and are willing to spend.

Step 4: Demolish the entire upper deck where the freight containers are and just make it an enclosed patio to watch the game. Standing room only. Make it an attractive spot to watch the game and people will fill that section up real quick.

Marketing problems fixed, negative PR is gone, and the fan backlash should be at an all time low.

Step 5: Win games.

 

[kosis]

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. Wahoo has gotta go and so does the name. Why are we keeping a team name that is a slang/improper term for Native Americans? And it's a bit silly when we have to defend obvious racist imagery against the crusaders against PC. Give it another 50 years and our grand kids are going to be shocked that we had Wahoo this long. I'm not not a Native American, but I haven't bought any Indians merch for this reason since high school. Change it to the Spiders and they can have ALL of my money.

 

[Huber.]

Spiders sounds like a generic video game "create a team" name. How about something relevant to the city of Cleveland like "Chinese Steelers" or "Housing Bubbles"?

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. Wahoo has gotta go and so does the name. Why are we keeping a team name that is a slang/improper term for Native Americans? And it's a bit silly when we have to defend obvious racist imagery against the crusaders against PC. Give it another 50 years and our grand kids are going to be shocked that we had Wahoo this long. I'm not not a Native American, but I haven't bought any Indians merch for this reason since high school. Change it to the Spiders and they can have ALL of my money.

What about this is ok to you?

 

[kosis]

What about this is ok to you?

The Spiders name is historically relevant, and the branding opportunities are unlimited. What's not to like?

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[kosis]

 

[David.]

Spiders sounds like a generic video game "create a team" name. How about something relevant to the city of Cleveland like "Chinese Steelers" or "Housing Bubbles"?

Finally funny

 

[I LOVE YOU ABBY]

I hate spiders.

 

[Real Deal]

Minor league teams have better names.

For what it's worth I chatted with a fellow native from Texas and he doesn't care about the Indians, Redskins, (and he's a Cowboys fan), BlackHawks etc. He says his people have far more other things to worry about rather than some cartoon character. No, he doesn't have a problem with Chief Wahoo. He understands sports traditions all over the world, he wouldn't want the fans to lose what they support.

 

[Surge]

Offensive to spiders...