Cleveland Browns Quarterback Position

[Lee]

. Kellen Moore has/had the foot speed of a turtle...great comparison to Mayfield dude. Not to mention a pretty weak arm.

Several years ago. Mel Kiper Jr, the biggest fraud I have ever seen was hyping Jake Locker as the number 1 overall pick when most football people had him as a number 3 or number 4 round pick. Locker, like Rosen, Darnold and Allen couldn't throw a beach ball into the ocean. The Titans fell for the Kiper tomfoolery and drafted him 8th overall. How'd that work out? Last season the Browns drafted another "can't hit the broad side of a barn" quarterback in Kiser...how'd that turn out?

Mayfield had 43 TD's and 6 picks. Thank God Dorsey recognizes talent. When's the last time the Brown had a quarterback that could pin point passes? Welcome to Cleveland Mr. Mayfield.

Kellen Moore had 43 TD's and 9 picks
Graham Harrell had 45 TD's and 9 picks.

There are others if willing to do more research. The point is that numbers in certain conferences, especially the Big 12, can be very inflated because they play very poor defense.

Can Baker be good? Sure, i could see that, but he can also be a bust. Need to judge him less on college stats, more on tangibles like arm strength, acurracy at compbine, ability to make reads, size, etc.

To me he is clearly the third best qb, but that is an opinion.

 

[Spectre]

Several years ago. Mel Kiper Jr, the biggest fraud I have ever seen was hyping Jake Locker as the number 1 overall pick when most football people had him as a number 3 or number 4 round pick. Locker, like Rosen, Darnold and Allen couldn't throw a beach ball into the ocean. The Titans fell for the Kiper tomfoolery and drafted him 8th overall. How'd that work out? Last season the Browns drafted another "can't hit the broad side of a barn" quarterback in Kiser...how'd that turn out?

Jake Locker busted because he didn't love football, not because he didn't have the physical ability to compete. If you want to be a great QB in the NFL, you have to have the desire to be great. You can improve on so much as a QB if you have the physical/mental ability to do it and are willing to put in the work. If Rosen, Darnold and Allen all have that desire, they'll all be great IMO. This is a dumb argument.

 

[Los216]

Since when does Rosen have accuracy issues?

Since the fucking stat man said so

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

. Locker, like Rosen, Darnold and Allen couldn't throw a beach ball into the ocean.

Mayfield's career passing completion percentage is 68.6 - Sam Darnold's is 64.9. If you compare Mayfield's freshman and sophomore completion % to Darnold's , it's only 66.1 to 64.9.

Saying Darnold "couldn't throw a beach ball into the ocean" while singing the praises of Mayfield for being incredibly accurate is completely bogus.

 

[Phills14]

Kellen Moore had 43 TD's and 9 picks
Graham Harrell had 45 TD's and 9 picks.

There are others if willing to do more research. The point is that numbers in certain conferences, especially the Big 12, can be very inflated because they play very poor defense.

Can Baker be good? Sure, i could see that, but he can also be a bust. Need to judge him less on college stats, more on tangibles like arm strength, acurracy at compbine, ability to make reads, size, etc.

To me he is clearly the third best qb, but that is an opinion.

Exactly

There are a ton of examples of great college QBs with off the chart stats that were bad prospects or complete busts in the NFL. I don't think anyone in the last few posts is saying Mayfield will be bad in the NFL. He very well could be the best QB of the class. Personally I think Rosen and Darnold are ahead of him but I don't think it's unreasonable to make an argument for Mayfield. In fact, I'd like to hear it. Just don't go with a TD/INT Ratio and Completion percentage as your sole justification without acknowledging the Big XII has awful defenses and a poor track record of producing NFL QBs despite tremendous statistical seasons.

 

[Lee]

Exactly

There are a ton of examples of great college QBs with off the chart stats that were bad prospects or complete busts in the NFL. I don't think anyone in the last few posts is saying Mayfield will be bad in the NFL. He very well could be the best QB of the class. Personally I think Rosen and Darnold are ahead of him but I don't think it's unreasonable to make an argument for Mayfield. In fact, I'd like to hear it. Just don't go with a TD/INT Ratio and Completion percentage as your sole justification without acknowledging the Big XII has awful defenses and a poor track record of producing NFL QBs despite tremendous statistical seasons.

Personally I just dont like smaller QB's, their success is the exception not the rule. Its why I told Drew Brees he wouldnt be a good pro QB when he asked, I was wrong there, but usually its hard for a small qb to succeed.

For every Drew Brees or Russell Wilson, there are 20 Colt Mccoys or others who werent even given a chance.

The 1st overall pick is too valuable to risk in a small qb in my opinion. I also dont want to get cute with the pick, take Rosen or Donald and move on, not saying Baker wont be good, but the deck is stacked aganst him.

 

[Matches]

Since the fucking stat man said so

Is this song in anyone else's head right now?



No? Well you can be miserable now, too. I'm the Statman! (Ski-bi dibby dib yo da dub dub)

https://youtu.be/Hy8kmNEo1i8

 

[AZ_]

. Kellen Moore has/had the foot speed of a turtle...great comparison to Mayfield dude. Not to mention a pretty weak arm.

Several years ago. Mel Kiper Jr, the biggest fraud I have ever seen was hyping Jake Locker as the number 1 overall pick when most football people had him as a number 3 or number 4 round pick. Locker, like Rosen, Darnold and Allen couldn't throw a beach ball into the ocean. The Titans fell for the Kiper tomfoolery and drafted him 8th overall. How'd that work out? Last season the Browns drafted another "can't hit the broad side of a barn" quarterback in Kiser...how'd that turn out?

Mayfield had 43 TD's and 6 picks. Thank God Dorsey recognizes talent. When's the last time the Brown had a quarterback that could pin point passes? Welcome to Cleveland Mr. Mayfield.

Here we go with the Kellen Moore has a weak arm nonsense.

74 percent completion, 43 TD, 9 INT

Can't teach that kind of talent.

 

[AZ_]

As I catch up, I don't think I saw this addressed. Are you saying you have additional intel not available to anyone researching Rosen?

Yes.

But in the interest of full disclosure, the source is not a person I like or respect with regards to his opinion on football. Can't stand the guy.

He was also wrong about Rosen possibly not entering the draft, so I don't question that he has a relationship with him but realize that he's not necessarily a decision maker or influences on his decisions.

 

[Phills14]

Is this song in anyone else's head right now?

View attachment 1523

No? Well you can be miserable now, too. I'm the Statman! (Ski-bi dibby dib yo da dub dub)

https://youtu.be/Hy8kmNEo1i8

It wasn't.






























Until now.

 

[thestatman]

Jake Locker busted because he didn't love football, not because he didn't have the physical ability to compete. If you want to be a great QB in the NFL, you have to have the desire to be great. You can improve on so much as a QB if you have the physical/mental ability to do it and are willing to put in the work. If Rosen, Darnold and Allen all have that desire, they'll all be great IMO. This is a dumb argument.

Jake Locker didn't bust because he didn't love football...he busted because he was a horrible talent completing 55% of his passes at Washington. Rosen, Darnold and Allen have the same inaccuracy disease that Locker had.

But yeah...let's draft another DeShone Kizer and hope shit sticks on the wall this time.

 

[Seiklis]

Is this song in anyone else's head right now?

View attachment 1523

No? Well you can be miserable now, too. I'm the Statman! (Ski-bi dibby dib yo da dub dub)

https://youtu.be/Hy8kmNEo1i8

The only thing miserable about that song is the fact he died so young.

One of the best stories in music history

 

[col63onel]

I don't follow the NFL cap rules nearly as much because it's never really mattered for the Browns. But what would prevent us from extremely front loading Cousins' contract? Could we pay pay him like, say, 50mil this year when we have enough cap space, then go down to a cap hit of about 20mila year for the next 4 years, when we'd possibly need the space?

 

[bob2the2nd]

Exactly

There are a ton of examples of great college QBs with off the chart stats that were bad prospects or complete busts in the NFL. I don't think anyone in the last few posts is saying Mayfield will be bad in the NFL. He very well could be the best QB of the class. Personally I think Rosen and Darnold are ahead of him but I don't think it's unreasonable to make an argument for Mayfield. In fact, I'd like to hear it. Just don't go with a TD/INT Ratio and Completion percentage as your sole justification without acknowledging the Big XII has awful defenses and a poor track record of producing NFL QBs despite tremendous statistical seasons.

How about that against tosu, tcu x2, and georgia this year in those 4 games he had a 68% completion rate and a 12 to 1 td:int ratio. Is that a sufficient enough to counter that perhaps his numbers arent solely predicated on playing weak opponents

 

[Matches]

Regarding quarterback height:

The standard distribution or "bell curve" does not apply to NFL quarterbacks. Hue Jackson didn't reveal some deep insight when he said he liked a quarterback to be 6'2" or taller. The curve completely falls off a cliff below 6'2":


ALL the quarterbacks below 6'2" barely add up to the number guys who are exactly 6'5".

So how do they perform? Here's the same chart, but with an added bar for the guys at each height who ended up starting more than 2/3rd of the games during their career:


Strangely, 6'3", the most frequently seen height, has an inexplicably poor success rate. This is certainly just noise, and I think we should try to filter that out. There are also so few quarterbacks on the shorter end of the spectrum that it's not too helpful to look at raw numbers like this. So below I group them into groups based on the above distribution, where anyone 6'1" or below is "short", anyone between 6'2" and 6'4" is considered "average", and 6'5" and above is considered "tall", and find out what percentage in each grouping was successful based on that 66% starting metric:


Starting 66% of your games is hardly an elite category of player, however. And this is where the argument for the shorter QB begins to hold water. What percentage of quarterbacks in each group end up becoming elite-level guys? Let's see:


Due to the simple fact that Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are not only competent quarterbacks but elite, and elite among a realtively small number of fellow diminutive signal callers, (only 32 quarterbacks have been drafted at 6'1" or below) the success rate for being "elite" isn't significantly different from the other groups.