Climate Change Thread

[Sebastian]

@The Human Q-Tip you regularly chastise people for them claiming that opinions must rely on expertise or some kind of personal experience for them to be credible. And now I’ve seen you touting your experience as a labor lawyer as if that makes you more reliable than everyone else in the Hollywood thread and now we need climatologists in this thread.

Is this a troll (if so, I’m on board) or hypocrisy (if so, I’m not on board)? I wouldn’t point it out if I hadn’t noticed it multiple times in a row with it seeming to be serious.

Fading on the West Coast. How are you up?

 

[The Oi]

Fading on the West Coast. How are you up?

It’s already 7:30 am here on east coast.

A: I don’t drink so hangovers are impossible.

B: I work a floor shift at the real estate office at 9.

C: Was out of town all week for company party in Delray Beach so I have a few deals to catch up on. Why not fuck around on here in between every other one?

 

[Sebastian]

It’s already 7:30 am here on east coast.

A: I don’t drink so hangovers are impossible.

B: I work a floor shift at the real estate office at 9.

C: Was out of town all week for company party in Delray Beach so I have a few deals to catch up on. Why not fuck around on here in between every other one?

Props. Dedication on a weekend morn.

 

[The Oi]

Props. Dedication on a weekend morn.

Gotta make money.

They literally doubled our goals at the meetings so...weekends remain non-optional.

 

[Adam]

on my trip to see the cavs bulls game we drove about 900 miles. i was completely shocked at the price of gasoline. it is sooo incredibly cheap in the US. to the point where it makes very little difference what engine size you own. here in the UK petrol is soo expensive that most people choose economy as the number 1 decision driver on a new car. i know Americans need to ravel large distances etc.. but some tariff increases on gas would surely move the casual car owner towards more economical trucks and cars.
I'm still not convinced of the greenhouse gas savings of an electric car once the manufacture of all components and the electricity has been factored in.

Also the university of Alabama just produced the worlds first graphene resonance battery. By using a 1 micron shet of graphene cathode between to platinum plates they managed to make a 1 micro watt stack. Interesting thing is this was due to the brownian motion of the 2D strip and required no external energy input. so its essentially perpetual energy as the input energy is the internal energy of the system due to room temperature.

that could mean 25 years time batteries never need charging

 

[Maximus]

@The Human Q-Tip you regularly chastise people for them claiming that opinions must rely on expertise or some kind of personal experience for them to be credible. And now I’ve seen you touting your experience as a labor lawyer as if that makes you more reliable than everyone else in the Hollywood thread and now we need climatologists in this thread.

Is this a troll (if so, I’m on board) or hypocrisy (if so, I’m not on board)? I wouldn’t point it out if I hadn’t noticed it multiple times in a row with it seeming to be serious.

Shut up, idiot.

 

[The Oi]

Shut up, idiot.

Suck it. Cunt.

 

[Whittaker]

Should the Federal Govt punish California for mismanaging it's forests and allowing them to burn? Millions of tons of carbon and other pollutants are being spewed into the air. The houses are burning, which means all the plastic and paint and furniture are releasing toxins. Not to mention all the fuel being burnt by the aircraft and firetrucks fighting the fire. California is polluting our air and water. Our planet is dying.
I luv our planet.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

@The Human Q-Tip you regularly chastise people for them claiming that opinions must rely on expertise or some kind of personal experience for them to be credible. And now I’ve seen you touting your experience as a labor lawyer as if that makes you more reliable than everyone else in the Hollywood thread and now we need climatologists in this thread.

Is this a troll (if so, I’m on board) or hypocrisy (if so, I’m not on board)? I wouldn’t point it out if I hadn’t noticed it multiple times in a row with it seeming to be serious.

Geez, just saw this. No, I'm neither trolling or being a hypocrite because personal/work experience and scientific/technical/degreed expertise are often very different, so different rules apply.

If someone works in the mortgage industry, and tells me which kinds of mortgage are the most popular, I'm going to tend to credit that. If an experienced carpenter tells me about different kinds of wood, I'm going to tend to believe him. When the guys here -- including gourimoko -- discuss technical computer applications, I don't say shit because I don't have that experience.

In this particular case, the non-technical/non-expert aspects of my job give me a broad swathe of exposure to a wide variety of corporate cultures on sexual harassment. I know, for a fact, that companies are required to conduct training and have appropriate postings up because they are employers subject to Title VII. Because Hollywood is more of a contractor relationship, those same safeguards simply don't exist. I also see/read the details of hundreds of such cases every year, and know the general trends of how common it is in most of corporate America, and review EEOC and state agency statistics and reports. I see that as equivalent to the deference I give to others in terms of their career experiences here.

But it's a different animal when we actually talk about true expertise rather than exposure/experience. I've never said "I'm a lawyer so my view of the law is correct", because I realize there are other lawyers out there who wouldn't agree. Just because I know more about the law than most posting here doesn't make me right.

I've also said, repeatedly, that actually having full legal debates here is not possible because real legal debates are much more involved, run much longer, include massive legal citations, etc., than is possible to have here. That actually mirrors the exact same position I take on attempts to have other forms of debate that require true expertise - I actually just made that same argument with respect to climate change.

So...I guess I don't think I'm being hypocritical or trolling.

 

[KI4MVP]

moving this discussion to the climate change thread.

That's true only if you cherry-pick prime locations.


This is my whole problem with this argument. If it is cheaper long terms, and the location is appropriate, then it will happen on its own because there are always going to be people who have that extra money up front. Or lenders will take it into account when calculating what you can afford. If you have to subsidize it, then it really isn't cheaper.

I'm wasn't taking about subsidies, and cherry picking prime locations is fine. But as a society we have to dramatically change the way we do things. It can't just be some small percentage of people adopting green energy, each time a new capital is invested in new fossil fuel projects, we all lose.

And I've mentioned this before, but when you compare costs, you have to compare the long term costs of incremental fossil fuel use. It's pretty shocking that this part just gets ignored by people who should know better.

 

[-Akronite-]

moving this discussion to the climate change thread.


I'm wasn't taking about subsidies, and cherry picking prime locations is fine. But as a society we have to dramatically change the way we do things. It can't just be some small percentage of people adopting green energy, each time a new capital is invested in new fossil fuel projects, we all lose.

And I've mentioned this before, but when you compare costs, you have to compare the long term costs of incremental fossil fuel use. It's pretty shocking that this part just gets ignored by people who should know better.

Weighing the long term costs is huge. We can debate all day about the effect on the economy short term but if we fuck our coast line long run protecting the fossil fuel industry will amount to shit long run.

The fact remains that we can try really hard to police the behavior of consumers and individuals, but the most effective way to fight climate change is to focus on the larger effects from the corporation themselves. Whether it’s car makers or the factory farming industry, we have to make BIG changes and not rely on the common man buying LED lightbulbs or whatever the fuck.

 

[Cavatt]

Anybody who is clai.ing there is a conspiracy among climate scientists to push this agenda obviously doesn't know how science works.

First the money incentive is to publish climate change denial evidence. All manner of super rich and powerful companies are looking for "their" evidence.

Second. Scientists are always reading papers ripping their methods/data/conclusions to shreds. It's the professional competition aspect of your job. Scientists aren't going to set that aside to.push an agenda. Too many scientists are loners and angry nerds to not one up each other.

 

[czvo]

This makes sense

View: https://twitter.com/MikeDorning/status/955556664312258562

 

[MediumBaller]

@gourimoko your profile picture made me laugh. How long have you had IT's midget self photoshopped in place of kyrie?

 

[gourimoko]

@gourimoko your profile picture made me laugh. How long have you had IT's midget self photoshopped in place of kyrie?

Since the day we traded for him...

I figured most people wouldn't even notice since it's almost identical to my previous profile picture...