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ECF: Cavs 4 - Hawks 0

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amazon123 said:
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Cleveland writers with first world problems
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Vardon's struggle pleases me
 
Entering the Bulls series, many people said they would beat us. What happened? We made them play a game they were uncomfortable with and won in 6 games.

Entering the Hawks series, a lot of people said we would lose. What happened? We forced them to play the game the way we wanted them to, and swept them.

I fully expect people to favor GSW/HOU in the Finals. Hopefully we can pull off the same result one last time.

#ALLinCLE
 
Can anyone tell me why this is true?

"Millsap and Carroll are free agents, and if the Hawks want to retain them, both will need to be signed under the salary cap. Right now, the Hawks are set to be about $23 million and change under the cap after factoring in some cap holds, including the No. 15 pick in next month's draft."

It is from this article:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nba/post/_/id/3659/the-atlanta-hawks-next-flight

Do the Hawks not own Millsap's Bird Rights? And if not, why not?
 
KilgoreTrout said:
Do the Hawks not own Millsap's Bird Rights? And if not, why not?
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Found this:

http://fansided.com/2014/10/29/atlanta-hawks-may-trade-paul-millsap/

"“If the Hawks want to retain the services of Millsap, they’ll have to let him become an unrestricted free agent before they can sign him again. The two-year deal also presents a challenge for the Hawks because they only have Millsap’s early Bird rights meaning they can only offer him a maximum of four years and not five years like they would if they had his full Bird rights. So once Millsap becomes an unrestricted free agent next summer, the bidding war will really begin. The Hawks have to decide whether they are all-in on Millsap prior to the trade deadline. If they sense that Millsap could command money they aren’t willing to spend, then they could very well trade Millsap away.”

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2014/12/15/7384609/nba-trade-rumors-atlanta-hawks

"Early Bird Rights
You see, every free agent for a team has a corresponding cap hold. It closes a loophole in the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). The actual amount for the cap hold depends on the status of the free agent. For Paul, this means that the Hawks can resign him in excess of the cap for up to $16,625,000. For both DeMarre and Pero, this means the Hawks can resign them in excess of the cap for roughly $5,885,440. Technically, it is for up to 104.5% of the average salary in 2014--15 season, but the current projection is what we shall go with.

Take a moment to look at the amounts that Early Bird Rights allow the Hawks to exceed the cap for each of these players. Then take a glance at their capholds above.

The difference between these two values gives us $4,275,000 for Paul, $2,710,248 for DeMarre, and $4,260,440 for Pero. This is the difference for which each player counts towards a caphold in the offseason and for the maximum amount that Early Bird Rights allow the Hawks to exceed the cap to sign each player. The Hawks could sign these players to higher values by using cap space instead, but that is the case for any free agent. These exceptions hold special value because the Hawks can add on salary in excess of the Salary Cap.

I am not saying that each player will be signed for their respective Early Bird exception values, but each of these values represent a wedge between what the cap states and what the Hawks can sign for. This is the important point."
 
KilgoreTrout said:
Can anyone tell me why this is true?

"Millsap and Carroll are free agents, and if the Hawks want to retain them, both will need to be signed under the salary cap. Right now, the Hawks are set to be about $23 million and change under the cap after factoring in some cap holds, including the No. 15 pick in next month's draft."

It is from this article:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nba/post/_/id/3659/the-atlanta-hawks-next-flight

Do the Hawks not own Millsap's Bird Rights? And if not, why not?
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I think you have to sign a guy for 3 years to get his bird rights. Both were only signed for two year deals.
 
aldamon said:
Found this:

http://fansided.com/2014/10/29/atlanta-hawks-may-trade-paul-millsap/

"“If the Hawks want to retain the services of Millsap, they’ll have to let him become an unrestricted free agent before they can sign him again. The two-year deal also presents a challenge for the Hawks because they only have Millsap’s early Bird rights meaning they can only offer him a maximum of four years and not five years like they would if they had his full Bird rights. So once Millsap becomes an unrestricted free agent next summer, the bidding war will really begin. The Hawks have to decide whether they are all-in on Millsap prior to the trade deadline. If they sense that Millsap could command money they aren’t willing to spend, then they could very well trade Millsap away.”

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2014/12/15/7384609/nba-trade-rumors-atlanta-hawks

"Early Bird Rights
You see, every free agent for a team has a corresponding cap hold. It closes a loophole in the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). The actual amount for the cap hold depends on the status of the free agent. For Paul, this means that the Hawks can resign him in excess of the cap for up to $16,625,000. For both DeMarre and Pero, this means the Hawks can resign them in excess of the cap for roughly $5,885,440. Technically, it is for up to 104.5% of the average salary in 2014--15 season, but the current projection is what we shall go with.

Take a moment to look at the amounts that Early Bird Rights allow the Hawks to exceed the cap for each of these players. Then take a glance at their capholds above.

The difference between these two values gives us $4,275,000 for Paul, $2,710,248 for DeMarre, and $4,260,440 for Pero. This is the difference for which each player counts towards a caphold in the offseason and for the maximum amount that Early Bird Rights allow the Hawks to exceed the cap to sign each player. The Hawks could sign these players to higher values by using cap space instead, but that is the case for any free agent. These exceptions hold special value because the Hawks can add on salary in excess of the Salary Cap.

I am not saying that each player will be signed for their respective Early Bird exception values, but each of these values represent a wedge between what the cap states and what the Hawks can sign for. This is the important point."
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I don't totally understand Early Bird Rights. Early Bird Rights let you go over the cap to sign someone, too, right? But the Hawks can't do that with Millsap (right?). So that means the Hawks DON'T have Millsap's Early Bird Rights?
 
I don't know why everyone is so shocked we dominated the Hawks. I warned you guys weeks ago we were going to crush them.
 
KilgoreTrout said:
I don't totally understand Early Bird Rights. Early Bird Rights let you go over the cap to sign someone, too, right? But the Hawks can't do that with Millsap (right?). So that means the Hawks DON'T have Millsap's Early Bird Rights?
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http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q33

When a player signs a one year deal with a new team, at the end of the deal, the team that owns the contract will have "Non-Bird rights" when the contract expires.

When a player signs a 2 year deal with a new team or a second 1 year deal with a team that has non-bird rights, at the end of the deal, the team that owns the contract will have "Early-Bird rights" when the contract expires.

When a player signs a 3 year deal with a new team or a 2+ year deal with a team that has non-bird rights, or a one year deal with a team that has early bird rights, the team that owns the contract will have "Full-Bird rights" when the contract expires.

If a player gets traded, the bird rights go with the contract.

If a player with a full-bird contract signs a one year deal, the bird rights are lost if the contract gets traded and so the player gets an automatic no-trade clause in the contract.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q38

For players that are not coming off rookie contracts:
  • Non-Bird Exception - up to 120% of his previous salary with 4.5% raises
  • Early-Bird Exception- up to 130% of his previous salary with 7.5% raises
  • Full-Bird Exception and player makes more than MLE - up to 150% of his previous salary with 7.5% raises
  • Full-Bird Exception and player makes less than MLE- up to 190% of his previous salary with 7.5% raises
Until a team renounces a Bird exception, the max value of the exception counts against the salary cap and is called the "Free Agent Amount". Free Agent amount is never less than min salary or larger than max salary

Full Bird rights lets a team sign a player for contracts up to 5 years. All other contracts are 4 years or less.

If a team uses cap space to sign a player, the Bird limits don't apply, so these exceptions so none of the limits apply other than the usual min and max salary.

Atlanta has plenty of cap space right now, so they can spend up to max salary if they keep enough cap space. They just can't do the 5 year contract.

Contract extensions and first contract after rookie contracts have different rules
 
teamcanada said:
I don't know why everyone is so shocked we dominated the Hawks. I warned you guys weeks ago we were going to crush them.
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No offense, but given your posting history no one puts much weight into your opinion.
 
Douglar said:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q33

When a player signs a one year deal with a new team, at the end of the deal, the team that owns the contract will have "Non-Bird rights" when the contract expires.

When a player signs a 2 year deal with a new team or a second 1 year deal with a team that has non-bird rights, at the end of the deal, the team that owns the contract will have "Early-Bird rights" when the contract expires.

When a player signs a 3 year deal with a new team or a 2+ year deal with a team that has non-bird rights, or a one year deal with a team that has early bird rights, the team that owns the contract will have "Full-Bird rights" when the contract expires.

If a player gets traded, the bird rights go with the contract.

If a player with a full-bird contract signs a one year deal, the bird rights are lost if the contract gets traded and so the player gets an automatic no-trade clause in the contract.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q38

For players that are not coming off rookie contracts:
  • Non-Bird Exception - up to 120% of his previous salary with 4.5% raises
  • Early-Bird Exception- up to 130% of his previous salary with 7.5% raises
  • Full-Bird Exception and player makes more than MLE - up to 150% of his previous salary with 7.5% raises
  • Full-Bird Exception and player makes less than MLE- up to 190% of his previous salary with 7.5% raises
Until a team renounces a Bird exception, the max value of the exception counts against the salary cap and is called the "Free Agent Amount". Free Agent amount is never less than min salary or larger than max salary

Full Bird rights lets a team sign a player for contracts up to 5 years. All other contracts are 4 years or less.

If a team uses cap space to sign a player, the Bird limits don't apply, so these exceptions so none of the limits apply other than the usual min and max salary.

Atlanta has plenty of cap space right now, so they can spend up to max salary if they keep enough cap space. They just can't do the 5 year contract.

Contract extensions and first contract after rookie contracts have different rules
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But Atlanta has only enough cap space for Millsap OR DeMarre. Why can't they go over the cap to sign the second of the 2?
 
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