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ESPN 30 for 30 ("Believeland" 3/31 at CLE Film Festival, ESPN airing 5/14 9:30 PM EST

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Best part of being a Cleveland sports fan is winning means so much more when heartbreak is embedded in every one of our sports. As much as it is gut-wrenching and will take years off my life, I wouldn't want it any other way. When a Cleveland team finally wins, it will be one of the greatest moment in sports history EVER, and to be a part of a fanbase that gets to experience that is so special.

Thought the documentary was pretty good, but they used Rizzo way too much. I'm not a huge fan of Scott Raab, but I enjoyed his perspective throughout. Got me so pumped for the ECF.
 
My grandparents and half of my parents are dead.

I want it for me.

Feel like you'd be more open to my policies on batting average if we got a championship too.

I didn't say we don't want it for ourselves...we just want to share it with the generations that came before us just as much, which is only a feeling pre WS wins Red Sox fans and Cubs fans can really share with us, because it has stemmed that many overlapping generations...but they've had other successes in their cities over that period of time...what makes us such a rare case.

And unless Cleveland winning a championship transports us back to the 60s, that last part ain't ever happening.
 
Mesa was easily worse than anything with the Browns because it was game 7 in the 9th. With the Browns and Cavs the heartbreak wasn't in the Super Bowl or finals.

Indians were up. Pitching was dominant all game.

You could feel the championship coming and then...

I remember the game well. I was at a very small gathering at a John Carroll sorority house. They were a year older than me and legit hot and a little crazy, by prudish JCU standards. As it turned out, the girls were sorority sisters with @QuadrupleDouble's nightmare of an ex-wife. There was one girl for each guy, everyone was pulling bong rips at commercial breaks. Conditions were perfect...

And that's how I knew Mesa was going to throw fat meatballs over the center of the plate in the 9th. I never got that lucky.
 
I didn't say we don't want it for ourselves...we just want to share it with the generations that came before us just as much, which is only a feeling pre WS wins Red Sox fans and Cubs fans can really share with us, because it has stemmed that many overlapping generations...but they've had other successes in their cities over that period of time...what makes us such a rare case.

And unless Cleveland winning a championship transports us back to the 60s, that last part ain't ever happening.

The long suffering Red Sox and Cubs fans are so full of shit. Celtics have been nothing but successful since Moses parted the red seas, Bruins have had great years and Chicago had Michael Jordan and some Stanley Cup Blackhawks teams.
 
The long suffering Red Sox and Cubs fans are so full of shit. Celtics have been nothing but successful since Moses parted the red seas and Michael Jordan.

Notice I said "but they've had other successes in their cities over that period of time"...
 
Not a Rizzo fan, but he got to say the line that all of us have said. Something like: "I don't know if I'm too old to get to see a(nother) championship. And if I do see a championship, I don't know if I'll live another day."

I would have liked to hear from even more long-time fans and fewer writers, but the interviews with the players and coaches were worth it. I didn't expect the reaction from Hargrove but Schottenheimer didn't surprise me.
 
Not a Rizzo fan, but he got to say the line that all of us (under 50) have said. Something like: "I don't know if I'm too old to get to see a championship. And if I do see a championship, I don't know if I'll live another day."

I would have liked to hear from even more long-time fans (the Indians drummer?) and fewer writers, but the interviews with the players were worth it.
Byner's camera time(s) were my favorite part.
 
I saw that. I grew up during the mid 80s (I was 6 and 7 during the Drive and the Fumble). That said a few things came to me.

Our city and sports are intertwined. When Cleveland was one of the greatest cities in the Midwest (1940s and 1950s) our sports teams were good/great.

When the down turn came same thing happened in sports.

Everyone's moment is different for them. The moment I realized I was a Cleveland Sports fan forever was 1995 when the Browns moved. Part of me died that day. I turned to Hockey when the Browns left (and the Cavs to a smaller extent the Indians). I was there in 1995 for the World Series run. Although that felt like we were just happy to be there.

1997 was different. That felt like more of an uh oh we are going to blow it.

I don't believe in curses. Never have. All I know is no matter where I am or what I am doing 1995 (the part of me that died) will finally be laid to rest if/when I watch a Cleveland team win a title.

To quote Tolkien (and I truly believe this in matters for sports)

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be the blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king"

I got into horse racing about 10-15 years ago. I never thought I would witness a triple crown winner in my lifetime (I figured it would never be done again since Affirmed).
 
It so dawned on me that Byner is the most Cleveland player ever.

The guy was as blue collar as they come. 10th round draft pick from a small school, would have been a UDFA today.

He goes on to a good career in cleveland, almost is the star of the game to take us to the super bowl and fumbles at the last minute

Then he is run out of town and spends 5 years in Washington. Toward the end of his career, he is given a chance to return and try and make it up to the fans of Cleveland only to find out his owner is forcing a move to Baltimore.

He was part of everything good and bad in Cleveland Browns from the mid 80's to the mid 90's.

No one is more Cleveland sports than Earnest Byner.
 
As someone who has rooted for Cleveland teams since the early '80s, as someone who was born here and will die here, I loved this doc. It evoked a lot of memories and emotions, and by no means were all them bad. I remembered how excited we were in the days before the '86 title game, when everyone thought the Browns were going to the Super Bowl, when there were hokey Browns songs on the radio, paper-mache Browns helmets on the statues downtown... stuff like that. And a lot of pride in who we are and what we're all about. I thought it did a great job capturing the love we have for our teams, our city and our area.

Of course they talked about the Drive, the Fumble, the Shot, the Mesa, the Decision, and they had to... but it's funny. Whenever I talk to people who aren't Cleveland fans those are the things they bring up. I like to point out that those were the good times- memorable teams that won a lot of games and played in great games and big games. No, the real "curse" lies in those years when all three teams suck ass, and we all know they suck ass, and we also know right from the jump there isn't a snowball's chance in hell any of them are going to do shit. That's when it really blows.

Obviously the filmmakers had an interest in Earnest Byner as a tragic hero, and he really was. He was a terrific player and clutch performer- 161 yards and two TDs in the '85 playoffs against the Dolphins, 122 yards and two TDs in the '87 playoffs against the Colts, and 187 combined yards and two TDs against Denver. He is a stand-up guy and has a huge heart. I feel badly that he felt the need to apologize. Earnest Byner doesn't have a damned thing to apologize for.
 
2007 ALCS was a pretty bad moment too. The Indians would have destroyed the Rockies in that World Series.

I've rationalized the 2007 ALCS. Boston was about 4-3 better than the Indians, and the last three games were a case of things regressing to the mean.
 

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