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So is this thread about Fake News or some guy's personal hangups with "social issues?" How many times does this need to be discussed?

To be honest, I'd rather talk about that then try to wrap my head around the idea that the President of the United States may have regular phone conversations with Alex fucking Jones.

*Shudders*
 
I wouldn't presume to equate people who lean Right in the US with people who lean Right in Sweden. There are so many differences it is a bad analogue.

It should be noted that large numbers of Muslim Albanians emigrated to Sweden in the 1990s. I don't recall reading religious differences being a huge barrier (though organized crime was and is).

As for your point on the race, I would add that European racism is different than in the US and in some/many occasions is worse. We have a melting pot mentality in the US. We are used to seeing people of all backgrounds here and have always welcomed them; at least officially. But Europe has never been that way until VERY recently when nations with Empires saw influxes of people from Africa and Asia. For Nordic nations lack of exposure to other races is far more pronounced than that of mainland Europe. So yes, racism has played a role whether people admit it or not.

But, if you want a case-study in how two similar nations have different solutions to immigration with people who have very different cultural backgrounds I would have you look at the Norwegian model. They place a heavy emphasis on assimilation and allow much lower numbers of immigrants in. Its worth a google search.

Perhaps @BimboColesHair can add more.

Collectivist mentality.

Scandinavians like Scandinavians, or people who embrace the Scandinavian way of life...if you don't, you'll have problems with them and they will let you know about that, because they expect you to remain in the collective....its been like that for a long, long time, and that mindset won't change in the blink of an eye.

In most cases, this doesn't spill over to religion, or skin color, though...at least in Sweden. They just want you to be a Swede, happy to be in Sweden, and happy with what you are being given while in Sweden. Shit, there's a fair amount of ethnic Swedes who are converting to Islam as they have been exposed to it more and more.

A big problem in Sweden is this though. Ethnic Swedes see immigrants given free houses, free healthcare, free education, and in most cases a job. So when those non-ethnic Swedes proceed to protest, or lash out because of perceived inequalities, most Swedes don't understand why they are doing it when they are being given so much already by their country

They see people not embracing being in the collective, and that's when the racist remarks come out, the parties saying immigration has been a failure in the country come out, the anti-immigration remarks come out, etc...

They do this because they have never been through this and don't know how to act or react to this. For the majority of Sweden's existence, most of their immigrants came from other Scandinavian countries. My family immigrated to Sweden from Denmark in the late 1600s. They weren't exposed to Africans, or Asians, or Arabs...they weren't even exposed to many Americans...this has only changed over the last ~70 years, so Sweden is in its infancy as a country on how to deal with other cultures and races, and it really shows at times.
 
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To be honest, I'd rather talk about that then try to wrap my head around the idea that the President of the United States may have regular phone conversations with Alex fucking Jones.

*Shudders*

Believe me, I like to discuss social issues; and all forms of politics, ideology, and philosophy.

Remember, we used to do that in these threads?

But that's not what this is...
 
the Important thing is while people are focused on Sweden and their severe severe immigration issues everyones forgotten about Russia.. Win Win
 
the Important thing is while people are focused on Sweden and their severe severe immigration issues everyones forgotten about Russia.. Win Win

And Trump's comments about antisemitism dominated a sufficient section of the news cycle as to divert attention away from his new immigration policies released this morning.
 
It's just the most inflammatory. Cruz just debated Bernie on aca and no one gave a shit here, and it was actually who the candidates should have been this year

Just playing devils advocate and we don't need to walk down this path a significant number of miles, but you don't see any potential issues with progressive social stance?

I just personally cannot wrap my head around not accepting other cultures or religions (or fearing them), anyone of any sexual orientation, or having any determination of what someone should do with their own body.
 
Just because someone posts something that goes against your belief doesn't mean it's a shit post. I'm a long time reader but just recently joined. It seems there's only a handful of people here who support Trump and the rest all gang together and are like a pack of wolves ready to devour anyone who dares to post something that goes against what they think. Just an observation from a new member. Carry on.

ps. sorry for the shit post.

I want you to compare and contrast the conversation @The Human Q-Tip, @BimboColesHair, @David. and I are having about immigration policy with what Notorious was trying to do today. There is a pronounced difference.

I think @gourimoko's point is that it isn't about staking out an ideological position and being unfairly attacked. It is about the quality of posting and the overall discourse. People can disagree and debate the merits of certain arguments.
 
I want you to compare and contrast the conversation @The Human Q-Tip, @BimboColesHair, @David. and I are having about immigration policy with what Notorious was trying to do today. There is a pronounced difference.

I think @gourimoko's point is that it isn't about staking out an ideological position and being unfairly attacked. It is about the quality of posting and the overall discourse. People can disagree and debate the merits of certain arguments.

I mean, even just not targeting specific people for arguments works, tbh. Intentionally tagging the same person multiple times in the same post is childish, and clearly baiting in nature.
 
He's done this shit repeatedly... It's why I said a few weeks back that we need to start a thread with user-moderation, where certain members would be politely asked NOT to participate. It would be nice to have a politics thread without bullshit like this in it, but, it seems like a few users are not going to let that happen.

So essentially you want to build a wall and have extreme vetting. Got it. Dude half of what you post is absolute garbage not even in reference to what anyone was saying.
 
So essentially you want to build a wall and have extreme vetting. Got it. Dude half of what you post is absolute garbage not even in reference to what anyone was saying.

Notorious... who do you think wants to read the shit you post? It's trash, you know it's trash (I hope).. Or .. do you really believe the shit you write up on this forum? Can't be.. surely? Right?

I mean.. have you not read the numerous posts by numerous posters calling out your bullshit -- is it just me? Nah.. it's not just me is it...

How about this.. we can have a poll? You think people want to read what you write more than what I write? Let's find out? The loser bans themselves from the political threads?

That's pretty simple right?
 
I want you to compare and contrast the conversation @The Human Q-Tip, @BimboColesHair, @David. and I are having about immigration policy with what Notorious was trying to do today. There is a pronounced difference.

I think @gourimoko's point is that it isn't about staking out an ideological position and being unfairly attacked. It is about the quality of posting and the overall discourse. People can disagree and debate the merits of certain arguments.

Like when you infered that Trump said there where attacks in Sweden when he did not. Half of your posts in this thread are just derogatory baseless attacks on Trump.
 
I mean, even just not targeting specific people for arguments works, tbh. Intentionally tagging the same person multiple times in the same post is childish, and clearly baiting in nature.

How do you think others feel when it's been refuted for weeks that there is any substance to the Russia claims and huge media outlets are saying that as well and then we read Commd, AZ and Stannis, Cavatt, Binkster, Cvosec, and others talk about Russian ties. You think that is good talking points? Fake refuted ideas are good things to discuss?
 
Notorious... who do you think wants to read the shit you post? It's trash, you know it's trash (I hope).. Or .. do you really believe the shit you write up on this forum? Can't be.. surely? Right?

I mean.. have you not read the numerous posts by numerous posters calling out your bullshit -- is it just me? Nah.. it's not just me is it...

How about this.. we can have a poll? You think people want to read what you write more than what I write? Let's find out? The loser bans themselves from the political threads?

That's pretty simple right?

Gouri, unfortunately you scare away all the other conservative / libertarian posters with your constant bullying.

I'll throw this out there, in the 2018 election if the Democrats gain no ground from where they stand in Congress now you are banned. If they gain ground I am banned.
 
Gouri, unfortunately you scare away all the other conservative / libertarian posters with your constant bullying.

I'll throw this out there, in the 2018 election if the Democrats gain no ground from where they stand in Congress now you are banned. If they gain ground I am banned.

I'm not waiting 2 years for this shit...

Bro.. you used to be cool.. We used to get along quite well. I have no idea what the fuck happened to you... It's like you lost your mind over Trump.
 
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