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Game #12 | #2 Ohio State vs. #3 Xichigan | Nov. 25th, 2023 @ 12PM EST

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Yea.

Or I will be. Will it lose some appeal. I'm sure.

But you play each team in the NFL twice in your division and again in the playoffs on occasion.

Browns fans hate the Steelers any less because of it?

Put it this way:

Any of you guys NOT wish we had another shot at these bastards next week? With how razor thin the margin was in this game today?

Teams look about equal to me. If they played next week I could just as easily see OSU winning.
 
Put it this way:

Any of you guys NOT wish we had another shot at these bastards next week? With how razor thin the margin was in this game today?

Teams look about equal to me. If they played next week I could just as easily see OSU winning.
No way in hell I’d want to play them again with the coach/QB combo. Losing once was enough.
 
Put it this way:

Any of you guys NOT wish we had another shot at these bastards next week? With how razor thin the margin was in this game today?

Teams look about equal to me. If they played next week I could just as easily see OSU winning.
OSU would still lose
 
Have a lot of thoughts honestly, might type more later but I truly thought today was just two very good teams duking it out … and the home team made a couple extra plays. Namely, the turnovers. Absolute backbreakers.

But that’s football and someone has to lose. The game was close and margin razor thin - we’re used to those games going our way as they did during Urban’s tenure.

I’m going to hear the toughness narrative again and I honestly kinda think it’s horseshit … are we going to say the team isnt tough every time an elite rushing attack has a long drive on them? Even then, the defense ended up holding to a kick… Not saying the D played great but it’s an offensive game anymore and without the turnover they give up 23 points? To an undefeated team?

Needed more out of the offense plain and simple which brings me to this. We can quibble about lots of tiny things and coaching mistakes or whatever, ultimately this game was lost under center. JJ is a big advantage at QB, and McCord just… isn’t. He’s the guy we thought he was.

OSU needs to find its next dude at QB, keep building up the defense, and we’ll be in the win column in this rivalry. Granted we might win next year even with Mccord, but you get my point.
The defense wasn't great, but it was good enough to win. I haven't been able to say that for a few years. Now next year without Tuimoloau and Williams and Hall I'm skeptical, but we'll see.

Michigan is a very good team. They have 44 seniors for Christ's sake. McCord wasn't ready to beat a legitimate top 3 team. It happens. If Harrison fights for that ball on the first pick they win the game. They weren't outplayed. They outgained Michigan per play and overall. It was close enough that one play was the difference.

Other than the decision to play for a FG at the end of the first half I didn't really have any complaints about play calling. They just needed McCord to be better. Hopefully he will be next year or hopefully Kienholz is ready to take the job from him.

After last year I saw no indication that Day could develop or recruit defense well enough to win national championships. I knew he could offense, but not defense. I think this defense could win a national championship with good enough QB play. So I'm not ready to get rid of Day yet. The toughness shit is just the Twitter idiots creating noise that no one should be paying attention to anyway. As miserable as the next month will be as we await some shit bowl game, I can't think of any drastic changes I would make. Except getting someone in there that can coach special teams. Just having an average punter might have been enough to win today.
 
Would you be alright with Ohio State and Michigan playing three times in one season? Because that's the possibility starting next year.
Well yes, because as others have mentioned, that is the direction the sport is going. Frankly, the Big Ten took too long to get rid of their godforsaken divisions.

I think after today The Game will not be the same with the expansion of the conference and playoffs etc. I am not a big fan of this expansion of the playoffs. I could change my mind once it happens but now I definitely do not like this idea.
Yeah, there's no doubt it won't be the same. The Game after Thanksgiving isn't going to mean nearly as much starting next season. That's just the reality of the situation. I wish it weren't that way, to be honest. Even sitting here with a 3 game losing streak, I still want this game to mean everything. The regular season will still matter, obviously, but not even close to how much it has mattered until now.

NIL, expanded playoff, pretty soon revenue sharing...College Football is becoming an official Minor League for the NFL. It won't be long before the only thing that matters is making the playoffs and winning the title. Rivalry games are going to be almost as forgettable as NFL rivalry games, I'm afraid.

Yea.

Or I will be. Will it lose some appeal. I'm sure.

But you play each team in the NFL twice in your division and again in the playoffs on occasion.

Browns fans hate the Steelers any less because of it?
It just doesn't mean as much when your season doesn't ride or die based on the result of one or two games. I don't like losing to the Steelers, obviously, but if you win the Super Bowl who gives a shit? I could not fathom a team winning a Super Bowl and having any fan say "boy, I sure wish we beat [insert team name here] during the regular season!" This line of thinking simply does not exist.

It won't be long until College Football is the same. And I think the sport is worse off for it.

It's cool that more teams will still be in it in late November/early December, but at what cost? At the end of the day, a 10-2 Missouri or 11-2 Louisville is never going to win the title in a 12 team playoff. It's still going to be won by the top teams. If anything else it'd be something like an 11-2 Alabama team ranked #10 getting hot and winning it.

Alabama this year is the perfect example. They (probably) will lose their two biggest games of the year to Texas and Georgia. In between they barely beat a plethora of bad teams. And moving forward that team will have a chance at winning the National Championship. And to me, that's pretty damn lame.
 
Well yes, because as others have mentioned, that is the direction the sport is going. Frankly, the Big Ten took too long to get rid of their godforsaken divisions.


Yeah, there's no doubt it won't be the same. The Game after Thanksgiving isn't going to mean nearly as much starting next season. That's just the reality of the situation. I wish it weren't that way, to be honest. Even sitting here with a 3 game losing streak, I still want this game to mean everything. The regular season will still matter, obviously, but not even close to how much it has mattered until now.

NIL, expanded playoff, pretty soon revenue sharing...College Football is becoming an official Minor League for the NFL. It won't be long before the only thing that matters is making the playoffs and winning the title. Rivalry games are going to be almost as forgettable as NFL rivalry games, I'm afraid.


It just doesn't mean as much when your season doesn't ride or die based on the result of one or two games. I don't like losing to the Steelers, obviously, but if you win the Super Bowl who gives a shit? I could not fathom a team winning a Super Bowl and having any fan say "boy, I sure wish we beat [insert team name here] during the regular season!" This line of thinking simply does not exist.

It won't be long until College Football is the same. And I think the sport is worse off for it.

It's cool that more teams will still be in it in late November/early December, but at what cost? At the end of the day, a 10-2 Missouri or 11-2 Louisville is never going to win the title in a 12 team playoff. It's still going to be won by the top teams. If anything else it'd be something like an 11-2 Alabama team ranked #10 getting hot and winning it.

Alabama this year is the perfect example. They (probably) will lose their two biggest games of the year to Texas and Georgia. In between they barely beat a plethora of bad teams. And moving forward that team will have a chance at winning the National Championship. And to me, that's pretty damn lame.
They have ruined the sport with the portal and 20 team conferences and 12 team playoffs. They turned into March madness with a meaningless regular season for teams like osu. Scum. Bama ga. And a few others
 
The defense wasn't great, but it was good enough to win.
Michigan drives:
1st half
punt
punt
TD
TD
punt
2nd half
Fg
TD
FG
FG
Victory Formation

Thats not good enough to win. They scored on 6/9 competitive drives, including all of their drives in the second half. We didnt give up the explosive plays, but we didnt stop em either
 
Michigan drives:
1st half
punt
punt
TD
TD
punt
2nd half
Fg
TD
FG
FG
Victory Formation

Thats not good enough to win. They scored on 6/9 competitive drives, including all of their drives in the second half. We didnt give up the explosive plays, but we didnt stop em either
Michigan's offense scored 23 points and had less total yards than our offense.

Defense was not the issue.
 
Yea Ryan Day is supposed to be an offensive mastermind and we have some of the best skill players in the world.

We have to be able to score more points than we have all season.

Again, game was lost on special teams and TOs. If we don't turn the ball over that first time, we win.


If we had a kicker who managed to do better than 35 yards of net with zero inside the 20? We win.


Kicking game has to improve going forward. And Day has to start actually coaching up to the talent level on offense in big games. It's not good enough to put up 40 on Rutgers. You have to be able to do it against Michigan or Alabama or Clemson.
 
Michigan drives:
1st half
punt
punt
TD
TD
punt
2nd half
Fg
TD
FG
FG
Victory Formation

Thats not good enough to win. They scored on 6/9 competitive drives, including all of their drives in the second half. We didnt give up the explosive plays, but we didnt stop em either
OSU’s defense gave up less points than scUM’s, and largely held their run game in check. Giving up 23 on the road to the #3 team in the country isn’t bad at all.

As many of us had feared since watching McCord take his first snaps of the season and then not really progress at all over the last three months, QB play was the difference in this one. JJ wasn’t exactly noteworthy, but he also didn’t turn the ball over. McCord, meanwhile, gifted scUM their first TD and then threw another pick to seal the game.

If he throws one less pick, we’re probably talking about a different outcome. But, here we are. Ryan Day and Co. made their bed with this aggressively mediocre QB situation, now they get to lie in it.
 
OSU’s defense gave up less points than scUM’s, and largely held their run game in check. Giving up 23 on the road to the #3 team in the country isn’t bad at all.

As many of us had feared since watching McCord take his first snaps of the season and then not really progress at all over the last three months, QB play was the difference in this one. JJ wasn’t exactly noteworthy, but he also didn’t turn the ball over. McCord, meanwhile, gifted scUM their first TD and then threw another pick to seal the game.

If he throws one less pick, we’re probably talking about a different outcome. But, here we are. Ryan Day and Co. made their bed with this aggressively mediocre QB situation, now they get to lie in it.

It's also worth noting a ton of Michigan's drives were kept alive because McCarthy can scramble and McCord is a statue.

If you're gonna be a statute, you had damn well better be better than McCord throwing the ball.

A ton of their 4th and 1s were set up because McCarthy scrambled for 5-6 yards on 3rd and long to set them up.

We have no such threat. We haven't had that threat in years.
 
It's also worth noting a ton of Michigan's drives were kept alive because McCarthy can scramble and McCord is a statue.

If you're gonna be a statute, you had damn well better be better than McCord throwing the ball.

A ton of their 4th and 1s were set up because McCarthy scrambled for 5-6 yards on 3rd and long to set them up.

We have no such threat. We haven't had that threat in years.

Sure, Stroud didn’t have superior legs but you must’ve forgot about Fields
 
Sure, Stroud didn’t have superior legs but you must’ve forgot about Fields

Well, this is one year over. Stroud played two years.

So that's three seasons with no such threat.

It makes a huge difference in games like this too where the defenses are locking up the run and not giving up big plays to have a QB who can get 5 yards on 3rd down.

If I'm Day, he needs to be looking for QB who can move around a bit more than McCord. Honestly, Stroud was always a better runner than he showed at OSU and seeing him in Houston I wonder if he was coached to not run or something. Because he's far more willing to go get yards in the NFL than eh was here.
 
Michigan drives:
1st half
punt
punt
TD
TD
punt
2nd half
Fg
TD
FG
FG
Victory Formation

Thats not good enough to win. They scored on 6/9 competitive drives, including all of their drives in the second half. We didnt give up the explosive plays, but we didnt stop em either
The defense gave up 23 points. Not great, but that should be good enough to win a top 5 matchup.
 

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