Get Excited Somewhere Else: John Dorsey

[inliner311]

I saw the arguments about Sashi vs Dorsey have heated up again and it’s honestly funny to me because I don’t even think the 2 sides really disagree that much

Dorsey supporters mostly agree that Sashi stockpiled an unprecedented amount of assets for Dorsey to inherit, selected what may end up being the best defensive player in franchise history, found many other quality players, and left the team with unprecedented rollover cap

Sashi supporters mostly agree that Dorsey has spent like he has unlimited rollover cap, actively weakened the offensive line after a record setting rookie year from Baker, selected Chubb, a QB who has had a very discouraging second season, and 2 DBs who can’t stay on the field, and pretty much nothing else. He’s hired what is looking to be the worst man for the HC job

Pretty Much everyone agrees everyone just argues over wording

I like Dorsey but he seems to screw himself with the consistent tinkering. If he just kept the team the same from the end of last year with coaching and the roster with just upgrades from the draft, I think they are much better right now.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I like Dorsey but he seems to screw himself with the consistent tinkering. If he just kept the team the same from the end of last year with coaching and the roster with just upgrades from the draft, I think they are much better right now.

The problem with most NFL GMs seems to be that they think they are infallible and the guy before them was a total idiot, so it's their responsibility to replace all of the idiot's guys with their own. Of course, the difference between a good GM and a bad one is usually a matter of percentage points when it comes to hits and misses, so a lot of the time they just end up replacing serviceable NFL players with either other serviceable players or slightly worse ones.

 

[Randolphkeys]

The problem with most NFL GMs seems to be that they think they are infallible and the guy before them was a total idiot, so it's their responsibility to replace all of the idiot's guys with their own. Of course, the difference between a good GM and a bad one is usually a matter of percentage points when it comes to hits and misses, so a lot of the time they just end up replacing serviceable NFL players with either other serviceable players or slightly worse ones.

To be fair, the guy before Dorsey will never have a job in football again... that is pretty close to "total idiot" in the world of the NFL.

 

[Jack Brickman]

To be fair, the guy before Dorsey will never have a job in football again... that is pretty close to "total idiot" in the world of the NFL.

I think that's more because he intentionally sabotaged a bad trade the owner wanted to push through than anything else.

 

[FiveThous]

LOL at Sashi being brought up. Can't criticize the infallible crew neck sweatshirt wearer.

 

[Randolphkeys]

So the Haslam family is the reason Sashi Brown is no longer in football, not his general lack of football resume before or during his tenure with the Browns? Look, he is a talented negotiator and he is able to work with analytics people. However his ability to scout football talent was never the reason he got the job, and his ability to scout basketball talent was never the reason he got the Wizards job.

 

[BMAN]

To be fair, the guy before Dorsey will never have a job in football again... that is pretty close to "total idiot" in the world of the NFL.

To be fair a lot of the people employed in the NFL probably shouldn’t have jobs. Only reason is because they’re tight with the right people.

 

[Jack Brickman]

So the Haslam family is the reason Sashi Brown is no longer in football, not his general lack of football resume before or during his tenure with the Browns? Look, he is a talented negotiator and he is able to work with analytics people. However his ability to scout football talent was never the reason he got the job, and his ability to scout basketball talent was never the reason he got the Wizards job.

Yes, I think the reason he was seemingly blackballed from the sport is because he went against his team's owner.

I don't disagree with most of the complaints about Sashi, for what it's worth. I just don't really see how zero teams were willing to hire him unless he was either blackballed or because no other owners were willing to trust him after he intentionally tanked the McCarron trade. I'm not saying another team should have immediately made him their GM but I refuse to believe he didn't have enough valuable skills to catch on somewhere else in the league. Hell, we're seeing Miami do exactly what Sashi did right now.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

He gets one more chance to hire a coach if Freddie cannot get this turned around. Haley was one of his guys, then he hired Freddie...

If he's going to be the top football executive in this franchise, you cannot be this poor at hiring coaches.

 

[Soda]

Yes, I think the reason he was seemingly blackballed from the sport is because he went against his team's owner.

I don't disagree with most of the complaints about Sashi, for what it's worth. I just don't really see how zero teams were willing to hire him unless he was either blackballed or because no other owners were willing to trust him after he intentionally tanked the McCarron trade. I'm not saying another team should have immediately made him their GM but I refuse to believe he didn't have enough valuable skills to catch on somewhere else in the league. Hell, we're seeing Miami do exactly what Sashi did right now.

To me, the reason he won't get a job in the NFL again is because he can't make the best educated guess when it comes to sifting through scouting reports & weighing those reports to come to a solid big-board/pick. Talent aquisition just wasn't his thing.

I believe 1) the McCarron debacle was the most endearing move Sashi made. He bucked a shit coach's attempt at self-sabotage (knowingly or unknowingly) and showed he had a spine; and 2) conducting a fire-sale is not a rare skill. IMO, you could have had Bill Kuharich or Morocco Brown handle the same tear-down if they bought into the strategy. You could say that the Osweiler deal was solid; he wasn't married to traditional FO taboo & seized on a unique opportunity. I think that was right there with the McCarron thing as his best move.

 

[Triplethreat]

I saw the arguments about Sashi vs Dorsey have heated up again and it’s honestly funny to me because I don’t even think the 2 sides really disagree that much

Dorsey supporters mostly agree that Sashi stockpiled an unprecedented amount of assets for Dorsey to inherit, selected what may end up being the best defensive player in franchise history, found many other quality players, and left the team with unprecedented rollover cap

Sashi supporters mostly agree that Dorsey has spent like he has unlimited rollover cap, actively weakened the offensive line after a record setting rookie year from Baker, selected Chubb, a QB who has had a very discouraging second season, and 2 DBs who can’t stay on the field, and pretty much nothing else. He’s hired what is looking to be the worst man for the HC job

Pretty Much everyone agrees everyone just argues over wording

Spoken like a true Sashi truther.

 

[Randolphkeys]

The difference between real journalism and what you read on Twitter has never been stronger than what happened here in the past half hour.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Watched the Packers / Chiefs game last night.

Someone walk me through the Ogbah trade again?

I honestly was not paying attention to the lead up and aftermath of that move but it doesn't look great.

If this has been litigated too many times, feel free to pass.....I genuinely am just trying to understand what our motivations were there. Just rotationally, was odd man out?

 

[Jack Brickman]

To me, the reason he won't get a job in the NFL again is because he can't make the best educated guess when it comes to sifting through scouting reports & weighing those reports to come to a solid big-board/pick. Talent aquisition just wasn't his thing.

I believe 1) the McCarron debacle was the most endearing move Sashi made. He bucked a shit coach's attempt at self-sabotage (knowingly or unknowingly) and showed he had a spine; and 2) conducting a fire-sale is not a rare skill. IMO, you could have had Bill Kuharich or Morocco Brown handle the same tear-down if they bought into the strategy. You could say that the Osweiler deal was solid; he wasn't married to traditional FO taboo & seized on a unique opportunity. I think that was right there with the McCarron thing as his best move.

Again, not saying the dude should be an NFL GM right now, but are you honestly saying the guy shouldn't have an NFL job at all? I feel like he'd be great heading up an analytics department, in a general strategy role, or as an assistant GM.

 

[macbdog]

I saw the arguments about Sashi vs Dorsey have heated up again and it’s honestly funny to me because I don’t even think the 2 sides really disagree that much

Dorsey supporters mostly agree that Sashi stockpiled an unprecedented amount of assets for Dorsey to inherit, selected what may end up being the best defensive player in franchise history, found many other quality players, and left the team with unprecedented rollover cap

Sashi supporters mostly agree that Dorsey has spent like he has unlimited rollover cap, actively weakened the offensive line after a record setting rookie year from Baker, selected Chubb, a QB who has had a very discouraging second season, and 2 DBs who can’t stay on the field, and pretty much nothing else. He’s hired what is looking to be the worst man for the HC job

Pretty Much everyone agrees everyone just argues over wording

I'm just trying to figure out how Dorsey managed to be worse at picking a head coach than Sashi. You could pick names or of a hat and still do better than these two have done.