Hogan the next Hoyer?

[sportscoach]

Okay this just sounds a bit strange, but do you guys think it's possible Hogan can become what Hoyer was for us? Maybe not a franchise guy, but someone who can be competent and lead this team to some wins and right the ship on offense?

He has been 26 for 38 with 3 TDs and 2 INTs but only been sacked twice. In the games he has been in and looks like he should at least be running this team for now.

 

[Triple-S]

Short term? Yeah, if only because I think Kizer needs to get his confidence back and absorb things.

Long term? Naw. Hogan isn't the answer. Solid guy to play in a pinch, and I think playing him helps him in that scenario, but I don't think he's it.

 

[Phills14]

Hogan is bad. Hoyer is a legit backup/spot starter in the league. Hogan is a 3rd stringer at best.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Hogan is bad. Hoyer is a legit backup/spot starter in the league. Hogan is a 3rd stringer at best.

What makes Hoyer better than Hogan, such that Hogan can only be a "3rd stringer at best?"

Hoyer was a UDFA -- Hogan was drafted in the 5th. Hogan had a significantly better college career, not only in terms of team achievements (they went 12-2 his senior year and only played Power-5 teams the entire season), but in terms of individual performance as well. His completion % in college was over 10 percentage points higher than Hoyers -- 65.9% to 55.8%. He's a bigger guy, and more mobile as well.

I don't see how you can compare those two guys at equivalent points in their development, and say there is no way Hogan can do what Hoyer has done.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Hogan's biggest knock during his draft season was his insane wind up and his mechanics were kind of all over the place.

I appears that when he is ready to really throw a ball into heavy traffic, the long wind up comes back with a lot of velocity. But otherwise, he has clean his mechanics up quite a bit.

Not sure what he can be. He looks, to me, to be worth a look. He is mobile, he is hitting NFL windows and makes some things happen. He does look kind of shit under pressure, but he looks pretty good otherwise.

Id give him a shot. At the very least, he looks like another KH from yesteryear in Kelly Holcomb.

 

[natedagg]

If it's about earning your playing time, then he has to be on the radar now. However, they shouldn't let what he's done so far dictate a QB change because it's simply too quick of a yank of Kizer. I think they let Kizer start through the bye week, and I think we all expect him to improve. If he doesn't, then we'll address it at that time.

I am just a big proponent of the earning your PT philosophy, so it shouldn't be out of the question simply because he was drafted a year earlier and in a later round.

 

[Soda]

It's almost as-if time in the offense has been good for Hogan's development. Time. What a novel concept.

 

[Man Called X]

The backup QB should be the starter yelling already starting.

At least we made it a couple weeks before it started.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

With all due respect, and I still really like Kizer, the development that the team needs around Kizer must be thought of too. And we saw guys flash when Hogan came in and got the ball out on time.

Kasen Williams, David Njoku, Duke and even Treggs looked better when Hogan came in. As did the offensive line and, by proxy, the running game looked better.

I think Kizer is still worth another look, but Hogan has played his way into more time, IMO.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

If it's about earning your playing time, then he has to be on the radar now. However, they shouldn't let what he's done so far dictate a QB change because it's simply too quick of a yank of Kizer. I think they let Kizer start through the bye week, and I think we all expect him to improve. If he doesn't, then we'll address it at that time.

I am just a big proponent of the earning your PT philosophy, so it shouldn't be out of the question simply because he was drafted a year earlier and in a later round.

I agree - I wouldn't yank Kizer either. I was only talking about the Hogan/Hoyer comparison.

 

[sportscoach]

I actually think Hogan should be starting since he looks so much better out there and has played better than Kizer. I understand you don't want to take out a young QB, but Hogan I think has earned the right to start.

 

[sportscoach]

Hogan is bad. Hoyer is a legit backup/spot starter in the league. Hogan is a 3rd stringer at best.

Hoyer never started a game until we put him in. He wasn't even considered one who could possibly start until he actually got a chance. So to say it's impossible for anyone else to do it is sadly mistaken.

 

[Norm]

I'd roll with Hogan til at least the bye week and see what happens. Kizer just looks defeated after he makes his 1st mistake in the games, body language is showing so much more than it was in week 1. Not saying that Hogan is our savior, but this team really needs a win for morale before everyone implodes.

Long term........... I am in the opinion that kizer sitting for a few weeks to get his bearings would be great for his development, he's thinking too much right now and Hogan reacts quicker being he does have last year under his belt with this offensive scheme

 

[Randolphkeys]

Okay, I'll bite.

First off, I had Hoyer and Hogan as draft sleepers in their respective drafts, then they both failed to make a big early impression.

Hoyer could read presnap and during the play very well, he didn't have much mobility but underrated arm strength, and he had inconsistent games where bad karma snowballed. That said, he landed in a perfect spot to sit and learn behind Brady for a few years. When his time came, he minimized many of his problems.

I also watched a lot of Stanford and thought Hogan got a raw deal, there was a lot to like. He ran the ball like a running back, can sling it, and he's very smart presnap. That said, his accuracy and mechanics needed refinement. With Pep Hamilton as OC, I wasn't surprised when he ended up a Browns project.

That said, we are comparing apples to oranges with a veteran bridge QB and a guy who should be at the end of the bench one or two more years. I'm more optimistic about Hogan's ceiling than others, but it's too soon. He reminds me most of a young Rich Gannon, still figuring out the pocket and how to make progressions as the play unfolds without just tucking and running. By his late 20s, Gannon became a solid starter who escaped the rush but stayed in the pocket.

Hoyer is still hot and cold, but he is just good enough to run an offense and teach young guys around him a playbook. S.F. was pissed at the record, but they are coming around to his contributions as a year stop gap.

 

[sportscoach]

Okay, I'll bite.

First off, I had Hoyer and Hogan as draft sleepers in their respective drafts, then they both failed to make a big early impression.

Hoyer could read presnap and during the play very well, he didn't have much mobility but underrated arm strength, and he had inconsistent games where bad karma snowballed. That said, he landed in a perfect spot to sit and learn behind Brady for a few years. When his time came, he minimized many of his problems.

I also watched a lot of Stanford and thought Hogan got a raw deal, there was a lot to like. He ran the ball like a running back, can sling it, and he's very smart presnap. That said, his accuracy and mechanics needed refinement. With Pep Hamilton as OC, I wasn't surprised when he ended up a Browns project.

That said, we are comparing apples to oranges with a veteran bridge QB and a guy who should be at the end of the bench one or two more years. I'm more optimistic about Hogan's ceiling than others, but it's too soon. He reminds me most of a young Rich Gannon, still figuring out the pocket and how to make progressions as the play unfolds without just tucking and running. By his late 20s, Gannon became a solid starter who escaped the rush but stayed in the pocket.

Hoyer is still hot and cold, but he is just good enough to run an offense and teach young guys around him a playbook. S.F. was pissed at the record, but they are coming around to his contributions as a year stop gap.

My original intention was not to compare the current Hoyer to Hogan, but do we think Hogan can show up for the Browns almost out of nowhere like Hoyer did when he was starting games for the Browns. To me that comparison wouldn't be apples to oranges.

Hoyer when we first got him just looked like a depth piece and eventually cause of circumstances, ended up being our starter and actually did fairly well until he got hurt. I was wondering if Hogan could do the same thing as Hoyer did that season for us. The ability to competently run the offense and make this team actually be able to win games. I never expected him to be a franchise savior or anything, just a reliable player who can help this floundering team start improving and going the right direction.