Hue Jackson and Todd Haley Fired

[The Voice]

It's mostly me saying that I would rather hang on to Hue for the rest of his deal than give Harbaugh a huge contract that would keep him here for 5+ years when he's not a great coach. He's a moron if you watch his press conferences and he sounds like he's going insane. I don't want to put a young team around that guy and hope he can build something out of it.

I don't honestly give a fuck about Haslam's money, but I also know that if we fired Hue and got Harbaugh, we'd be stuck with him for a long time and I don't want that.

Take your scarlet and gray colored glasses off, he was a good nfl coach and his record indicates it.

Is he a weird fucking guy? Yes, but that doesn’t matter. Bill Belicheck is also fucking weird.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

Take your scarlet and gray colored glasses off, he was a good nfl coach and his record indicates it.

Is he a weird fucking guy? Yes, but that doesn’t matter. Bill Belicheck is also fucking weird.

I gotta go with Stark here. I live in Michigan now...he's sucking big time ass and is getting on thin ice with his fan base.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I gotta go with Stark here. I live in Michigan now...he's sucking big time ass and is getting on thin ice with his fan base.

I could literally not give a fuck about the Michigan/OSU rivalry and I want absolutely no part of him here.

 

[AZ_]

Take your scarlet and gray colored glasses off, he was a good nfl coach and his record indicates it.

Is he a weird fucking guy? Yes, but that doesn’t matter. Bill Belicheck is also fucking weird.

Bill Belicheck is also innovative, whereas Jim Harbaugh is the literal opposite.

 

[CBBI]

In no particular order, five realistic targets (not considering college coaches realistic) I'm interested in...

John DeFilippo, OC, Minnesota Vikings
Dave Toub, AHC/ST, Kansas City Chiefs
Matt LaFleur, OC, Tennessee Titans
Todd Wash, DC, Jacksonville Jaguars
Dan Campbell, AHC/TE, New Orleans Saints

Not interested in anyone from the Belichick tree. So no to McDaniels and Flores.
Not interested in retreads. So no to Schwartz, Harbaugh, Morris, Frazier.
Not interested in anyone from the current staff. So no to Haley and Gregggggg.

 

[The Voice]

I gotta go with Stark here. I live in Michigan now...he's sucking big time ass and is getting on thin ice with his fan base.

College and pros is apples and oranges. Tell me how Chip Kelly translated into the NFL.

 

[Triple-S]

I think Saban and to a way lesser extent McDaniels are the only two out of the Belichick tree I'd give the time of day to.

Even then? I'm concerned both would do something like trade Mayfield off the bat for some rando prospect they're in love with because they're insane that way.

People keep chirping up about Riley but I'm telling you...the OU gig is one of the best in the country. Outside of 'Bama, OSU, and a few others? Recruiting is good and you're treated like a god by everyone in this state.

....

I realize this sounds like a beggar being a chooser, but this has to be handled right. You have talent on this team and a helluva gm. I'm not dumping those for some guy who thinks he's Bill Belichick.

 

[CBBI]

College and pros is apples and oranges. Tell me how Chip Kelly translated into the NFL.

X’s and O’s wise he translated mostly fine. Took over a 4-12 team in Philadelphia and won 10 games in each of the next two years.

Chip’s problem more than being a head coach was that he was an asshole and an absolutely terrible talent evaluator.

Now that is a bit of a double edged sword when it comes to hiring college coaches.

Most of them won’t leave their role unless you offer them the same ultimate power that they have in college, aka full personnel control on top of full coaching staff and potentially full play calling control.

The issue is that there are only a few outliers like Belichick who can actually capably perform both roles simultaneously.

I’m not really worried about hiring college coaches because their systems might not translate. We all know the line between what college teams are running and what pro teams are running is becoming more and more blurred by the day.

I just know that the Browns already have a competent/good GM and don’t really want to give full personnel control to someone from the college ranks.

 

[FrontPageNews]

Dave Toub is my wish right now. Love the Andy reid coaching tree. He could bring in a few of Reid’s assistants to be coordinators. Toub would whip this special teams into place and bring in some decipline which is sorely missed.

Riley is a great offensive mind but his lack of any nfl experience and being so young scares the hell out of me. I’d be ok with his age if he had at least some nfl experence but he’s got zero. Being a HC is more than installing a system it’s about leading professionals.

Harbaugh would be a fantastic hire but I don’t think it’s realistic. At least not soon. Michigan isn’t firing him and I doubt he wants to leave right now.

LaFleur is an interesting candidate. Not much experience but I like what I’ve seen so far. Kinda reminds me of flip from a few years ago. Might need a year or 2 more of experence before he gets HC offers.

I’ve also been interested in Vic Fangio. He’s older but I’m curious why he’s never been a HC. He’s one of the best DCs in the league and he been for a long time. I know that doesn’t always translate into being a good HC but I’d like to see him get a chance.

 

[Pick6]

I remember the days I was calling for Doug Marrone and got blasted for it.

What will be will be. This should be an attractive destination. The team/org is in as good of position as its been since the return. I'm still rooting for Hue personally so we aren't starting over with new systems next year. Amos needs to get it in gear or go by the bye though.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

The only college coach I am interested in is Dino Babers.

 

[dark2332]

Toub would whip this special teams into place and bring in some decipline which is sorely

Lord knows, if there’s one thing we need, it’s some goddam decipline.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I’m not really worried about hiring college coaches because their systems might not translate. We all know the line between what college teams are running and what pro teams are running is becoming more and more blurred by the day.

...and Chip Kelly came to the NFL to prove there is still a line. It's been rehashed over and over again, but within the shift of some college concepts to the NFL, there are some clear differences that make the two products very different in how you manage a roster and scheme advantages. Doug Marrone was a different case altogether because he played in the NFL and then coached in both the college game and NFL for decades.

 

[CBBI]

...and Chip Kelly came to the NFL to prove there is still a line. It's been rehashed over and over again, but within the shift of some college concepts to the NFL, there are some clear differences that make the two products very different in how you manage a roster and scheme advantages. Doug Marrone was a different case altogether because he played in the NFL and then coached in both the college game and NFL for decades.

Chip Kelly's X's and O's weren't the problem. The Eagles ranked 2nd, 5th and 12th in offense in Chip's three years in Philadelphia.

He had a disaster year in San Fran, but considering the year before he got there they were dead last in offense and the year after he left they were dead last in offense until Jimmy G got there, it seems like it was a personnel problem more than a coaching issue considering three consecutive coaches all had the same problem.

Chip was a horrendous failure as a general manager and wasn't a guy who connected well with players, but to act like his schemes weren't effective is pretty false.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Chip Kelly's X's and O's weren't the problem. The Eagles ranked 2nd, 5th and 12th in offense in Chip's three years in Philadelphia.

He had a disaster year in San Fran, but considering the year before he got there they were dead last in offense and the year after he left they were dead last in offense until Jimmy G got there, it seems like it was a personnel problem more than a coaching issue considering three consecutive coaches all had the same problem.

Chip was a horrendous failure as a general manager and wasn't a guy who connected well with players, but to act like his schemes weren't effective is pretty false.

I have little doubt I have spent more time listening to experts break down the shortcongs of Kelly's scheme at the pro level than you have, proximity to local news alone. I'd put a significant amount of money on it.

Among Kelly's problems which led to his return to the college game is controlling the clock on offense. With his reputation as a quick paced offense, he couldn't attract a decent defensive coordinator. Kelly's system takes advantage of 105 players on a college roster. That's almost twice the number allowed in the pros. His defenses would wear out. Kelly also attacked the weakest point of an opponents roster with safe throws. That has been adopted quickly in the pros for several years, and Kelly stopped innovating from there.

This hasn't been an issue for the Rams because they know when to strike for a quick score and when to control the clock. Wade Philips also respects McVey's pedigree in the pros and his control of the playbook. A college coach may not have that unless they also had extensive pro experience at some level.