Hue vs. Sashi: You must keep 1

[Jack Brickman]

Ehh, its not been very good in most of the games. They were great this week though...

Our run defense has been pretty good. Our pass defense has been pretty bad. I'd expect that to be something we'll look to address in the offseason, either via the draft or in free agency. You can't patch every hole in one year, especially when you have as many as the Browns had.

It seems like we're taking the tried and true strategy of building up our offensive and defensive lines and then patching up the other holes after.

 

[Sebastian]

Kill them all.

God knows his own.

 

[Ohio]

Our run defense has been pretty good. Our pass defense has been pretty bad. I'd expect that to be something we'll look to address in the offseason, either via the draft or in free agency. You can't patch every hole in one year, especially when you have as many as the Browns had.

It seems like we're taking the tried and true strategy of building up our offensive and defensive lines and then patching up the other holes after.

Agreed on all accounts.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Agreed on all accounts.

Yeah. I think the fact that we went from awful at both stopping the run and the pass to merely awful at stopping the pass is a pretty solid upgrade in one offseason. We were 30th in opposition rushing yards per game last year. This year we're 6th through seven weeks. We allow 60 less rush yards per game now than last year. That is a massive improvement.

Obviously our pass defense isn't good, but really I think the main issue is that our offense is awful, and I think that's largely on Hue.

ETA: It was sixty yards less this year, not eighty. I can not math. Still a massive improvement, though.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I feel like a lot of guys are just assuming because a guy doesn't look like Cam erving out there on the line that he's doing good

Shon Coleman's pff grade is 48.6 poor on their scale

Durango at 43, again, poor

It's mostly matched my impression watching them

Drango was dog shit yesterday and Coleman has been struggling a lot

I feel like we are just saying people are good picks because they're getting a lot of snaps... but they're mostly getting a lot of snaps because of how bad our team is

Schoebert is 52.8...

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Who did they miss on early?

4 first rounders, Coleman is not great to me, but no way do i think Peppers is a bust yet and Myles and Njoku look great.
75%

2nd rounders, Ogbah and Kizer. Kizer has looked, meh, but Ogbah solid, so 50%

3rd rounders, Column, starting, good draft, Schobert, wow, nice, and might not agree but Kessler looks like a solid backup, what you expect from 3rd round QB, and Ogunjobi, has been in the rotation of our most loaded position and looked decent. so either 100% or 75% there.

You want him to hit every pick in the first 3 rounds, and that is just not realistic. We really have had 2 good drafts the last 2 years except WR and QB which is why it seems we havent.

Holy shit is this way over estimating things

We will not look back at it in 3 years and say we hit on 75%+ of any of these picks. Literally no team does.

Lee you are way, way, waaaaay too kind of a grader. Counting Peppers as a hit is just... huh? You wanna argue we can't count him as a miss yet? Fine. I'll also argue we can't count Njoku as a hit yet since we are like 5 minutes into both of their careers

But just going through and pulling these 75%s and 100%s out of thin air... time won't be kind to these estimates. Counting Kessler as a hit? Dude come on. Schoebert and Coleman still have a long way to go to even be average NFL players. But they get counted as a hit?

Seriously find me a single team that hit on 75%+ on their picks over a 2 year span over 5 years ago so we can properly evaluate hit or miss. I highly doubt such a draft exists

 

[Kovah]

I voted for the FO since our drafts have yielded good talent thus far rather than absolutely nothing like Farmer or previous regimes gave us.

That being said, I do not believe Hue or the FO will be fired. If Haslam and the team are truly on the same page, then we're in it for the long haul. This regime would get torn a new one firing Hue with the talent we have given him after stripping down the roster and going all youth. Same for firing our front office after firing previous ones quickly even though I did not like them.

If this franchise is to have any consistency at all then we need to keep everyone. We praised Hue when he came here and the hires he made outside of Horton, but perhaps that was the beginning of his downfall.

We have another half-season to go to evaluate Hue, but I believe this FO stays and may get extra help in the form of a football mind much like the 49ers did with Lynch.

 

[FrontPageNews]

Both should resign in disgrace.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Holy shit is this way over estimating things

We will not look back at it in 3 years and say we hit on 75%+ of any of these picks. Literally no team does.

Lee you are way, way, waaaaay too kind of a grader. Counting Peppers as a hit is just... huh? You wanna argue we can't count him as a miss yet? Fine. I'll also argue we can't count Njoku as a hit yet since we are like 5 minutes into both of their careers

But just going through and pulling these 75%s and 100%s out of thin air... time won't be kind to these estimates. Counting Kessler as a hit? Dude come on. Schoebert and Coleman still have a long way to go to even be average NFL players. But they get counted as a hit?

Seriously find me a single team that hit on 75%+ on their picks over a 2 year span over 5 years ago so we can properly evaluate hit or miss. I highly doubt such a draft exists

The FO's strategy is not based on hitting on a higher percentage of players than other teams - it is based on having more picks. What ultimately validates or condemns their approach is not the percentage of hits, nor the number of misses, but rather the total number of players who hit.

 

[Matches]

The FO's strategy is not based on hitting on a higher percentage of players than other teams - it is based on having more picks. What ultimately validates or condemns their approach is not the percentage of hits, nor the number of misses, but rather the total number of players who hit.

We also have to establish what a "hit" is - rather than thinking in terms of Hit and Miss, I generally grade picks on a {+2 +1 0 -1 -2} scale, accounting for what you got and what you should expect from that draft slot. I want to know what value did you add with the picks you got. For example, my grades on Farmer's first 3 rounds going into the season:

And I actually agree with Wizard of Mož that some might be being too generous in these grades. However, Schobert, Kindred, and Shon Coleman, as 3rd-4th rounders who are not noticeably awful as starters, might be considered very mild hits. It's still early, but at most 1 out of 3 third or fourth rounders rises to the level of "depth starter" or better, and each of these guys already are looking like that - you don't exactly call them holes in your lineup, but you'll be looking to upgrade there if you have the chance.

 

[Norm]

I originally said that we should replace Hue. After some thought, if we HAVE to keep the FO or the coaches? I say keep the coaches.

Might not be a popular vote, but can anyone honestly say that difference makers have been brought in, FA or trade or even drafted, to give the coaches their absolutely best chance for success? I can't. I like a lot of our recent picks, but I can't honestly say that any of these picks are making a major difference. The defense seems to be coming around and is looking light years ahead of our offense.

I know it's too early to get a good idea for a lot of the players this FO has brought in, but it almost seems like Hue and Co are going to be scapegoats for the FO.

If I HAVE to keep one? I'd keep Hue and the coaches (Hue has to get an OC for playcalling duties). Bring in some football minds that carry some weight in this league and get some playmakers that this team needs.

 

[Matches]

I originally said that we should replace Hue. After some thought, if we HAVE to keep the FO or the coaches? I say keep the coaches.

Might not be a popular vote, but can anyone honestly say that difference makers have been brought in, FA or trade or even drafted, to give the coaches their absolutely best chance for success? I can't. I like a lot of our recent picks, but I can't honestly say that any of these picks are making a major difference. The defense seems to be coming around and is looking light years ahead of our offense.

If I HAVE to keep one? I'd keep Hue and the coaches (Hue has to get an OC for playcalling duties). Bring in some football minds that carry some weight in this league and get some playmakers that this team needs.

Re: offensive playmakers. Did a bit of research yesterday and in the 2 Sashi Brown drafts, yes we've had a lot of picks, and if you count them, they've nearly been spread equally between offense and defense.

However, by the draft value chart, they've used something like 1541 points of draft capital on defensive players, and 1194 on offensive players. Those offensive players include a 2nd and 3rd round QB and both of them can't play at the same same. For context, the average value of their defensive picks is the 55th overall pick, or the equivalent of a mid-to-late second-rounder. Their offense of players have an average draft value equivalent to the 95th overall pick, which falls at the end of the third.

Now they did invest a lot of free agent capital in the offensive line, but in the end they just haven't been able to commit enough resources to adding playmakers on offense yet. Their two biggest splashes in that regard have been Corey Coleman and Kenny Britt. Coleman is hurt and Britt is a disaster.

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[The Oi]

What’s going on with Coleman? Will he ever play again or did he fall on another football?

 

[Ohio]

What’s going on with Coleman? Will he ever play again or did he fall on another football?

Seriously though. Is he going to play this season?

 

[Matches]

What’s going on with Coleman? Will he ever play again or did he fall on another football?

On IR as a "return" player, which means he can come back to practice after 6 weeks, and player after 8. I think the 6 weeks is up next week or the week after so the earliest he could play is either Detroit or the Jacksonville game. What is the actual status of his hand? That's clearly Not Important, did you hear he missed curfew???

edit: per Cabot, his first eligible game back is JAX