Iman Shumpert: Gone! Thank God!

[MirORich]

That report is garbage from what I'm hearing....Gilbert loves Kevin Love's contract from what I've been told. He feels like Love is a steal at his price in the current market where guys like Otto Porter are being offered max-deals.

Both Love and Kyries contracts have opt out in two years. So if LeBron leaves next year Gilbert has two choices:

1. Better supplement Kyrie and Love to the point they can be a high end team to the point where they stay.

2. Call up Sam Hinkie and start the process2.0 because LeBron was a once in a lifetime situation for the Cavs both times. No marquee FA is ever coming here, especially w out Brian here. With the exception of Kyrie, Dans crew really did a bad job of a rebuild the first time around and lucked into him coming back which covered up the mistakes of drafting Dion/Karasev/Zeller/Bennett and to a lesser degree TT(when Klay/Kawhi) could have been had at 4)

But you're saying your ex boss currently works for the Cavs, is directly hearing Gilbert is planning like LeBron will leave, and is going to make roster moves this year based more on future flexibility than on best shot to beat the Warriors? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying.

 

[billmac91]

This is probably the wrong thread for this post, but I guess it can be moved if necessary...

Front office feels like Gilbert is in an all-out pissing contest with LeBron. If LeBron wants the Cavs to give up franchise pieces he should commit long-term. If LeBron doesn't commit long-term, Gilbert will continue to focus on long-term health while knowing, unless LeBron tanks next season, the Cavs can make the finals. At that point....who knows? Maybe we steal a title.

As it is today though, Gilbert is structuring all moves on long-term growth. He's already in "how do we surround Kyrie and Love" mode....

So Shumpert will be dealt soon...for short term, non guaranteed deals, and those will be then used in FA next year, or to be dealt for a guy with long-term player control.

And the parting of ways between Gilbert and Griffin should be obvious to all now even though I already stated it. Griffin was willing to move Love for a short-term contract and Gilbert nixed it....Griffin would not be tied to our current roster knowing we will likely lose...he wanted to make a deal that fixed our issues in a "short-term" lens. Gilbert wanted nothing to do with it if it meant LeBron and any incoming assets could leave before our "team controlled assets" could leave....

 

[FritzLn]

Source through a former boss.....in the Cavs org.

LeBron won't give any long-term assurances so Gilbert is treating this roster like LeBron is gone. And he's not only treating his team like it's about to lose it's best asset, he's showing LeBron what a "hamstrung" from office looks like.

It's funny to me.....I see these reports from guys like Broussard and others, where they talk about Indy refusing to trade PG to the Cavs even though they're in full tank mode now. Meanwhile, there's a source in Cavs front office who says it's been quiet as hell and the direction since Griffin left was to maintain the core. Long term assets are essentially "off limits".

It's exceptionally easy to see what the Cavs are doing right now, and yet most people seem to ignore the obvious. It's weird to me in some ways....

i'm going to treat the current season like lebron isn't there as well

 

[MirORich]

This is probably the wrong thread for this post, but I guess it can be moved if necessary...

Front office feels like Gilbert is in an all-out pissing contest with LeBron. If LeBron wants the Cavs to give up franchise pieces he should commit long-term. If LeBron doesn't commit long-term, Gilbert will continue to focus on long-term health while knowing, unless LeBron tanks next season, the Cavs can make the finals. At that point....who knows? Maybe we steal a title.

As it is today though, Gilbert is structuring all moves on long-term growth. He's already in "how do we surround Kyrie and Love" mode....

So Shumpert will be dealt soon...for short term, non guaranteed deals, and those will be then used in FA next year, or to be dealt for a guy with long-term player control.

And the parting of ways between Gilbert and Griffin should be obvious to all now even though I already stated it. Griffin was willing to move Love for a short-term contract and Gilbert nixed it....Griffin would not be tied to our current roster knowing we will likely lose...he wanted to make a deal that fixed our issues in a "short-term" lens. Gilbert wanted nothing to do with it if it meant LeBron and any incoming assets could leave before our "team controlled assets" could leave....

So it's not exactly that he's trying to save money or piss off LeBron specifically, it's just he's resisting bring in guys who's contracts can be up next summer and is trying to add quality guys who's contracts at least run through the 2019 offseason when Kyrie and Love could opt out and either leave or re-sign(if they haven't extended already prior to then)

Because he's definitely not "cheaping out", as evidence by the Korver signing

 

[sleepmaster]

Source through a former boss.....in the Cavs org.

LeBron won't give any long-term assurances so Gilbert is treating this roster like LeBron is gone. And he's not only treating his team like it's about to lose it's best asset, he's showing LeBron what a "hamstrung" from office looks like.

It's funny to me.....I see these reports from guys like Broussard and others, where they talk about Indy refusing to trade PG to the Cavs even though they're in full tank mode now. Meanwhile, there's a source in Cavs front office who says it's been quiet as hell and the direction since Griffin left was to maintain the core. Long term assets are essentially "off limits".

It's exceptionally easy to see what the Cavs are doing right now, and yet most people seem to ignore the obvious. It's weird to me in some ways....

What you said about that source in the Cavs front office actually fits with Broussard's story:

In the Love-George threeway trade that almost went through, it was said that the three owners agreed to the trade and that Kevin Pritchard went dark as a result of that. I think what was likely was that Dan Gilbert instituted an "off limits" policy for long-term assets for his front office, while he himself handled exceptions to that policy, like the Love-George trade negotiations. That would explain the three owners agreeing to the trade and Pritchard getting told of that agreement instead of the more normal other way around where the GM runs a proposed trade by the owner. That could explain why the Love-George trade was closer to going through than the better Celtics offer which was negotiated at the GM level so was easier for Pritchard to nix. That could also explain the conflict between Gilbert and Griffin that lead to Griffin leaving, that Griffin wanted normal GM power and Gilbert said no. Apparently Pritchard had the power that Griffin wanted, as Pritchard was not bound by any such "off limits" policy with how he made the George trade to the Thunder behind his owner's back.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnKG1jt_cT8

 

[WorldFreeB]

Seems like a lot of dot connecting going on,
Why would they waste their time signing a guy like Calderon?
It would , make a lot more sense if your theory is true to sign a young player with future upside than a scrub like Calderon.
U may be spot on but we will know more as time goes on and more moves are made.

 

[MirORich]

Seems like a lot of dot connecting going on,
Why would they waste their time signing a guy like Calderon?
It would , make a lot more sense if your theory is true to sign a young player with future upside than a scrub like Calderon.
U may be spot on but we will know more as time goes on and more moves are made.

What young player with upside can you sign for the minimum?

 

[Los216]

Seems like a lot of dot connecting going on,
Why would they waste their time signing a guy like Calderon?
It would , make a lot more sense if your theory is true to sign a young player with future upside than a scrub like Calderon.
U may be spot on but we will know more as time goes on and more moves are made.

Jose is on a vet min contract and if a better PG becomes available Jose can be replaced.

 

[Chris Parker]

Jose is on a vet min contract and if a better PG becomes available Jose can be replaced.

additionally, iirc, portion of vet min doesn't count against cap, so it's a discounted contract even compared to say MCW who signed for 2.75m (Calderon gets 2.33M)

EDIT: Vet Min only counts against cap as cost of 2nd year player or 1.47M
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/06/nba-minimum-salaries-for-201718.html

 

[WorldFreeB]

What young player with upside can you sign for the minimum?

Trey Burke, Tyler Ennis even Carter Williams would have made more sense ,,, I guess I just don't understand the Calderone signing at all we need to get better defensively and Calderone sucks. What was the rush to sign him?

 

[billmac91]

Seems like a lot of dot connecting going on,
Why would they waste their time signing a guy like Calderon?
It would , make a lot more sense if your theory is true to sign a young player with future upside than a scrub like Calderon.
U may be spot on but we will know more as time goes on and more moves are made.

I hate the Calderon signing, although I think he's a better piece than most around here are giving him credit for. At the end of the day he's a feisty motherfucker who truly cares about winning.....you don't get that out of a guy like Deron Williams. Williams has infinitely more talent and ability, but rest assured every minute Calderon plays for us, 100% of what he has is left on the court.

But Calderon is actually more proof to what I'm being told...

He's on a 1 year deal. He can be dealt as part of a package if necessary at the deadline, and he doesn't hurt long-term health at all. He's actually a very good piece in that regard. If we need to salary match he's an easy throw in, and if he makes it to the post-season his contract is off the books by next year.

Again, people can think I'm full of shit and that's cool....but he's more proof of what I'm saying. Gilbert is playing the "long game" and Calderon can be used short term if need be, but he doesn't hurt long-term plans a single bit. If anything he's a useful asset come trade deadline....

 

[MirORich]

Trey Burke, Tyler Ennis even Carter Williams would have made more sense ,,, I guess I just don't understand the Calderone signing at all we need to get better defensively and Calderone sucks. What was the rush to sign him?

Neither of those guys make any sense. They are not going to pay or help against the Warriors(whereas Calderon might for 6-10 mpg) and they are not going to develop into good PG's. MCW simply can not shoot and Trey Burke just doesn't have it. WAS let him walk in favor if Tim Frazier. Marinate on that

 

[WorldFreeB]

I hate the Calderon signing, although I think he's a better piece than most around here are giving him credit for. At the end of the day he's a feisty motherfucker who truly cares about winning.....you don't get that out of a guy like Deron Williams. Williams has infinitely more talent and ability, but rest assured every minute Calderon plays for us, 100% of what he has is left on the court.

But Calderon is actually more proof to what I'm being told...

He's on a 1 year deal. He can be dealt as part of a package if necessary at the deadline, and he doesn't hurt long-term health at all. He's actually a very good piece in that regard. If we need to salary match he's an easy throw in, and if he makes it to the post-season his contract is off the books by next year.

Again, people can think I'm full of shit and that's cool....but he's more proof of what I'm saying. Gilbert is playing the "long game" and Calderon can be used short term if need be, but he doesn't hurt long-term plans a single bit. If anything he's a useful asset come trade deadline....

I actually don't mind that strategy going forward and I will be watching and following regardless of whether LeBron is here or not.
Some people are so hung up on whether he is staying or leaving that it will diminish the enjoyment of the coming season.
If he is leaving I would love to trade him for a huge package to set us up going forward though I know that's not happening.

 

[billmac91]

i'm going to treat the current season like lebron isn't there as well

Let's just put a few obvious things on the table....

1. LeBron is a FA next year
2. Dwayne Wade is a FA next year
3. Chris Paul is a FA next year
4. Paul George is a FA next year
5. Melo is a likely buy out candidate and then a FA in 2018-19

Pair the above with LeBrons $20M LA home, combined with his representation agency that is months away from opening a physical office in LA. And a side note here most people don't consider, CLE wasn't just home for him....coincidentally CLE is also the former home of one of the biggest agencies in the world in IMG. Oh, where did LeBron hold several of his FA meetings in his first go-around? IMG...? Yep.

I truthfully know as much about LeBeon's future plans as Dan Gilbert does, which is to say...we know nothing. It is is obvious he has many tie-ins to Hollywood, a $20M house in LA, has a significant relationship with IMG, and a physical agency that will be opening soon in LA.

IMO, like Gilbert (and I don't like Dan FWIW), it's time to thank LeBron for bringing a title to CLE and then move on. It probably isn't worth compromising our future to chase next year, when the East is a cluster-fuck and LeBron will be leaving soon. We'd have Kyrie and Love on favorable deals, Korver on a great deal, Thompson deal is questionable but he's an asset, and we finally have draft picks starting next year. I guess my point is, don't look at this off-season in a vacuum...it's been boring as hell and we've missed some big opportunities, but the goal has always been long-term health. Period.

 

[Jscc]

Source through a former boss.....in the Cavs org.

LeBron won't give any long-term assurances so Gilbert is treating this roster like LeBron is gone. And he's not only treating his team like it's about to lose it's best asset, he's showing LeBron what a "hamstrung" from office looks like.

It's funny to me.....I see these reports from guys like Broussard and others, where they talk about Indy refusing to trade PG to the Cavs even though they're in full tank mode now. Meanwhile, there's a source in Cavs front office who says it's been quiet as hell and the direction since Griffin left was to maintain the core. Long term assets are essentially "off limits".

It's exceptionally easy to see what the Cavs are doing right now, and yet most people seem to ignore the obvious. It's weird to me in some ways....

If this is true then LeBron's in a problem of his own making. And in fact, if this is true, what's the point of letting this continue into the regular season? It's toxic and unnecessary.