Redz West is Best
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Well just browsing that site and came across the cavs sections:
No surprise that Lebron has played 77% of the possible minutes and has a +16 on/off court differential. He obviously out produces his man.
The surprise is Pavlovic where he is struggling mightily before and after the injury. Will he turn it around this year or might as well wait til next year?
With the amount of shots Wally takes per minute, it isn't good that he gets outproduced by 10.3 to 15.3 when he is on the court. Even a guy like Delonte who doesn't shoot that much per minute barely gets outproduced at the PG spot.
The four new guys all have gotten outproduced but being outproduced playing with Lebron is okay. Lebron gets most of the chances to produce that production from the other spots might be lower than those players were not playing with someone as ball dominant as Lebron. The key is that playing with Lebron should help with their effeciency. With Wally, its not so far but hopefully it will come. With Delonte, its been soso. Its helped Big Ben and Joe Smith.
Big Z is easily the 2nd most important player on the Cavs but its purely from a production stand point. The on/off court differential says that West, Gibson and Sideshow have higher differentials. This tells me that he doesn't necessarily make others better. Lebron has +3.5 on court but has a -12.5 off court. That is damning evidence that the Cavs are lost when he isn't on the court. The guy with 2nd highest negative off court is Daniel Gibson at -2.7.
From the 5 man units: (they didn't list the damon jones as they were not in the top 20 or so in terms of minutes)
West-Pavlovic-James-Wallace-Ilgauskas 60 minutes +18
West-D.Brown-James-Varejao-Wallace 102 minutes +3
West-D.Brown-James-Wallace-Ilgauskas 49 minutes +7
West-D.Brown-James-Smith-Varejao 30 minutes -3
West-Szczerbiak-James-Smith-Wallace 28 minutes +0
I noticed when Daniel Gibson was in there there were alot of minutes of time when Gibson and Damon Jones played together. More than I would have thought. Maybe when Gibson comes back West and Gibson could play that role. Gibson in Jones places and West in Gibsons.
Overall the four new additions have been positive players on the Cavs:
West +41
Wallace +28
Wally +10
Joe Smith +9
West 13% +41 98.2 93.9 +4.4 10 4 71.4
Wallace 11% +28 95.8 92.2 +3.6 7 6 53.8
Szczerbiak 9% +10 95.8 94.3 +1.5 6 6 50.0
Smith 9% +9 99.0 97.6 +1.4 8 6 57.1
West has the highest win% of any Cav which means that per48 if he were on the floor the cavs would outscore their opponents at a higher rate than any other cav being on the floor. I mean its just a stat but it does show that on average he is a positive player even considering his tendency to turn it over in bunches on occasion.
Another interesting note when looking at the *PER indicator (John Hollinger) is that Lebrons production causes the point guards PERs to go down but look at the FG effiency of the point Guards. For the Point Guard spot, the opponents eFG is 46% while our point guards is 53%. That to me is how having Lebron benefits the team. Production will be lower for the point guards but their eFG% should be very very good. Everyone should be more effecient and if they are not, then ship them out (ala Larry Hughes).
I'm sure by looking at the other stats, we can come up with more goodies.
PHP:
Player -Min -Own -Opp -Net- On -Off -Net -Roland Rating
James 77% 33.5 13.7 +19.8 +3.5 -12.5 +16.0 +18.3
Ilgauskas 56% 20.5 14.9 +5.5 +1.3 -2.1 +3.3 +4.6
West 13% 13.4 14.9 -1.5 +4.4 -0.9 +5.3 +1.2
Smith 9% 17.5 18.2 -0.6 +1.4 -0.4 +1.8 +0.3
Varejao 30% 13.6 17.2 -3.7 +4.2 -2.1 +6.3 +0.3
Gibson 46% 14.2 17.4 -3.2 +2.7 -2.7 +5.4 +0.2
Wallace 11% 13.4 16.8 -3.4 +3.6 -0.7 +4.3 -0.3
Da.Jones 36% 13.6 18.6 -5.0 +2.7 -1.8 +4.5 -1.2
Szczerbiak 9% 10.3 15.3 -4.9 +1.5 -0.4 +1.9 -2.2
D.Brown 43% 12.7 17.1 -4.4 -1.6 +0.8 -2.4 -3.6
Gooden 47% 14.3 19.3 -5.0 -1.3 +0.7 -2.0 -3.8
Hughes 36% 13.4 16.8 -3.4 -4.3 +2.1 -6.4 -4.6
Pavlovic 31% 8.6 16.7 -8.1 -2.5 +0.8 -3.4 -6.2
Dw.Jones 13% 11.7 22.4 -10.7 -4.9 +0.5 -5.4 -8.6No surprise that Lebron has played 77% of the possible minutes and has a +16 on/off court differential. He obviously out produces his man.
The surprise is Pavlovic where he is struggling mightily before and after the injury. Will he turn it around this year or might as well wait til next year?
With the amount of shots Wally takes per minute, it isn't good that he gets outproduced by 10.3 to 15.3 when he is on the court. Even a guy like Delonte who doesn't shoot that much per minute barely gets outproduced at the PG spot.
The four new guys all have gotten outproduced but being outproduced playing with Lebron is okay. Lebron gets most of the chances to produce that production from the other spots might be lower than those players were not playing with someone as ball dominant as Lebron. The key is that playing with Lebron should help with their effeciency. With Wally, its not so far but hopefully it will come. With Delonte, its been soso. Its helped Big Ben and Joe Smith.
Big Z is easily the 2nd most important player on the Cavs but its purely from a production stand point. The on/off court differential says that West, Gibson and Sideshow have higher differentials. This tells me that he doesn't necessarily make others better. Lebron has +3.5 on court but has a -12.5 off court. That is damning evidence that the Cavs are lost when he isn't on the court. The guy with 2nd highest negative off court is Daniel Gibson at -2.7.
From the 5 man units: (they didn't list the damon jones as they were not in the top 20 or so in terms of minutes)
West-Pavlovic-James-Wallace-Ilgauskas 60 minutes +18
West-D.Brown-James-Varejao-Wallace 102 minutes +3
West-D.Brown-James-Wallace-Ilgauskas 49 minutes +7
West-D.Brown-James-Smith-Varejao 30 minutes -3
West-Szczerbiak-James-Smith-Wallace 28 minutes +0
I noticed when Daniel Gibson was in there there were alot of minutes of time when Gibson and Damon Jones played together. More than I would have thought. Maybe when Gibson comes back West and Gibson could play that role. Gibson in Jones places and West in Gibsons.
Overall the four new additions have been positive players on the Cavs:
West +41
Wallace +28
Wally +10
Joe Smith +9
West 13% +41 98.2 93.9 +4.4 10 4 71.4
Wallace 11% +28 95.8 92.2 +3.6 7 6 53.8
Szczerbiak 9% +10 95.8 94.3 +1.5 6 6 50.0
Smith 9% +9 99.0 97.6 +1.4 8 6 57.1
West has the highest win% of any Cav which means that per48 if he were on the floor the cavs would outscore their opponents at a higher rate than any other cav being on the floor. I mean its just a stat but it does show that on average he is a positive player even considering his tendency to turn it over in bunches on occasion.
Another interesting note when looking at the *PER indicator (John Hollinger) is that Lebrons production causes the point guards PERs to go down but look at the FG effiency of the point Guards. For the Point Guard spot, the opponents eFG is 46% while our point guards is 53%. That to me is how having Lebron benefits the team. Production will be lower for the point guards but their eFG% should be very very good. Everyone should be more effecient and if they are not, then ship them out (ala Larry Hughes).
I'm sure by looking at the other stats, we can come up with more goodies.