Jamison to Cavs? ESPN Insider

[Cavatt]

What about the Orlando Magic? There's a report that they are looking at another star player to trade for, some of their fans think it's Boozer or David West, but Jamison fits the bill just as well.

Ugh he might fit better. Definitely better than Boozer.

 

[ClevelandOwnz]

What about the Orlando Magic? There's a report that they are looking at another star player to trade for, some of their fans think it's Boozer or David West, but Jamison fits the bill just as well.

the last thing orlando needs is another star player... hell all thir role players are pissed about not getting enough playingg time. from everything ive been hearing orlando is really starting to bark at eachother for touches and playing time... too much talent on that team is starting too get to them. reminds me of the lakers when they signed payton and malone. but they dont have kobe and shaq .. so it wont be finals. it will 2nd round and out of playoffs. (because thats when rosters get cut even shorter)

 

[RonG]

If I were Houston, I'd toss out a package including Landry and maybe even Aaron Brooks and some expiring filler to land Bosh.

Landry and Brooks are amazing young talents that would really fill out a roster, yet still leave them a ton of cap room to sign someone over the summer.

It would also free up Toronto to move Jose Calderon for a talented SF or SG to really beef up that roster.

If I were Houston or Toronto, that's the kind of deal I'd be eyeing up right now.

Brooks is a key piece, they are not going to to be able to sign a comparable replacement for some one of his skill level. I believe Scola is a RFA in the off-season, Houston does have Cap relief and talent they can pass on to Toronto. A deal with Tmac and a future pick taking back some or a bad contract(s). They have the talented Landry and Lowery that could really make a nice package for Toronto who is going to loos Bosh either way at this point.

Just pointing out then I will get back on topic
Tmac
Landry
Lowery

for

Bosh
Calderone

Works and they could add picks as well, hell Toronto could throw in up to 6.5 million more like a Bargnani contract and the deal still work. Then rebuild rather quickly with all their new found cap room and picks.

However if I am Bosh, do I think Yao will ever be healthy? I think not, and head to Florida and the sunshine.

 

[Triumph36]

What about the Orlando Magic? There's a report that they are looking at another star player to trade for, some of their fans think it's Boozer or David West, but Jamison fits the bill just as well.

If the Wiz move Jamison they'll be looking to rebuild. Orlando doesn't have any young players to build around and they don't have any big expirings either. I don't know why Washington would take on expensive non-expirings like Bass, Gortat, etc.

Stereo, Houston wouldn't have to give up Landry and Brooks lol.

 

[abuC]

So he can play behind Rashard Lewis, Brandon Bass, and Ryan Anderson?

I'd say if anything, PF is the last part they need to shore up. Maybe a SF.

I don't understand why Orlando, who has a great All-Star weapon at PF would want to change that in any way.

If they traded for a PF, they would move Rashard to his natural position at SF.

Their fans seem to think it's a PF that they are looking for.

 

[Gimme Some Mo]

If the Wiz move Jamison they'll be looking to rebuild. Orlando doesn't have any young players to build around and they don't have any big expirings either. I don't know why Washington would take on expensive non-expirings like Bass, Gortat, etc.

Stereo, Houston wouldn't have to give up Landry and Brooks lol.

Orlando has a pretty big trade exception they can use. I do not remember exactly how much it is worth, but I want to say 7-9 million.

Edit: ESPN trade machine says they have a TE from Turkoglu for 6.8 mil and one for Wilks for 797K.

 

[Keith]

Just pointing out then I will get back on topic
Tmac
Landry
Lowery
Brooks
Scola
player XYZ
for

Bosh
Calderone

Why would Toronto make this trade? They lose their point guard and top 5 PF and gain...Tracy? Carl Landry and Lowery are decent role players...

If the Raptors are having a fire sale, and decide they have to get rid of bosh or he will leave anyway, I doubt they can connivence their fanbase that, "We got an injury prone- shell of his former-self Tmac" is a stepping stone in the right direction.

 

[RonG]

Why would Toronto make this trade? They lose their point guard and top 5 PF and gain...Tracy? Carl Landry and Lowery are decent role players...

If the Raptors are having a fire sale, and decide they have to get rid of bosh or he will leave anyway, I doubt they can connivence their fanbase that, "We got an injury prone- shell of his former-self Tmac" is a stepping stone in the right direction.

23 million dollar expiring contract, like I said Houston can still give picks as well. Their pg is over paid, they would be better off with Lowery and Jack.

 

[Triumph36]

Orlando has a pretty big trade exception they can use. I do not remember exactly how much it is worth, but I want to say 7-9 million.

Edit: ESPN trade machine says they have a TE from Turkoglu for 6.8 mil and one for Wilks for 797K.

Yeah you're right, I forgot about that.

I think Orlando would target other PFs first though, namely Boozer and West. Boozer has already said he wants to play with Dwight, and West is cheaper/younger than Jamison. If money is no object to them (they're at 80M in salary atm) then perhaps they'd go after Jamison...but it seems like they'd explore other options before that.

 

[TheISHT]

Pretty sure you can't combine trade exceptions with players or other trade exceptions.

 

[DG's wallet]

This is a blog from DC. I really like where this guys heads at though. He outlines a three way deal that basically gets us Jamison for Hickson and outlines why it would work for the three involved

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2010/01/a-quick-trade-idea-with-the-wizards-jazz-and-maybe-the-cavs.html

I would do this in a heartbeat but that's just me

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I'm sure Orlando WANTS a star PF, but David West, Boozer, and Jamison will all be traded by a team looking to cut salary, and Orlando can only offer them role-playing vets with multiple years left on their contracts.

 

[RonG]

This is a blog from DC. I really like where this guys heads at though. He outlines a three way deal that basically gets us Jamison for Hickson and outlines why it would work for the three involved

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2010/01/a-quick-trade-idea-with-the-wizards-jazz-and-maybe-the-cavs.html

I would do this in a heartbeat but that's just me

Can you please copy and paste the article? It is blocked for me at work, I am sure I am not the only one.

Thanks.

 

[Triumph36]

Pretty sure you can't combine trade exceptions with players or other trade exceptions.

I thought you could combine an exception with a player. Like Orlando could trade Hedo's 6.8M exception along with Anthony Johnson (2M expiring) for David West.

Can you please copy and paste the article? It is blocked for me at work, I am sure I am not the only one.

Thanks.

I started tinkering around with this trade idea last Wednesday, but never followed up with publishing a post. Today, with Yahoo!’s Marc Spears reporting that the Utah Jazz could face a roster shake-up and Mike Jones, of Mike Jones Sports, reporting that multiple Wizards have asked to be traded, i.e., more than just Mike James, it seems like an appropriate time to float this proposal out there. And no, this is not like Bill Simmons’ silly Utah-Washington-Cleveland idea where the Wizards would lose Haywood, Jamison, Butler and James and only get Shaq and Boozer in return … although my idea is almost as drastic.
So here goes …

Utah has the Carlos Boozer issue hanging over their head, the desire to remain cheap, and is a decent team unwilling to take a big step backwards.

Washington is not in a good way. If you read this blog site, you know this. Shot out to any readers in the Philippines who know this (they really, really like the NBA over in the Phillippines).

Not many ifs, ands, or buts about it, Ernie Grunfeld needs to make a move. He also would like to save some money, or remain “flexible.”

Previously expressing the opinion that all options should be on the table for Grunfeld and that he should avoid straight salary dumps, he goes my proposition …
TO UTAH, Washington sends:

Antawn Jamison
Caron Butler
Mike James
Randy Foye
TO WASHINGTON, Utah sends:

Carlos Boozer
Andrei Kirilenko
C.J. Miles
Cost-Cutting:

In James and Foye, the Wizards are departing with about $10 million in expiring contracts, but gain about $2.3 million in expiring money by adding Boozer’s $12.3 million that the Wizards could let walk this summer.

Heading into the off-season, assuming Stevenson takes his player option for next season and the team handles Dominic McGuire’s qualifying offer situation, the Wizards would have eight players and around $52 million in total salary on the books for 2010-11 (Arenas, Miles, Stevenson, Blatche, Kirilenko, Young, McGee and McGuire). Not much lower than the $53.5 million the Wizards currently have on the books for 2010-11.

However, in the summer of 2011, since there’s a option on Miles for the ‘11-12, the Wizards could have $25.7 million set to come off the books (Kirilenko, Stevenson & Miles). Basically, $32.6 million committed to contracts ‘11-12 instead of the current $40.3 million.
Would the Jazz save $$?

Well, the Jazz could either keep the incoming parts for a playoff push, or they could trade Jamison to Cleveland for Zydrunas Ilgauskas straight up, and even do it with the under-the-table understanding that they would buy out Ilgauskas so they he could eventually re-sign with Cleveland.

(Note: the only way that Jamison could be traded again so soon, under the standard two-month embargo when the 2010 trade deadline is about six weeks away, is if he’s not packaged with other players … as I understand via NBA Salary Cap FAQ. There could also be some loop-hole workarounds.)

Between Big Z, Foye and Mike James, Utah would have over $21 million coming off the books this summer and will gain Caron Butler, who has a final year contact in 2010-11 that would cost Utah around $7 million less than Kirilenko.

Alternately …

If Utah is adamant about getting back more for Boozer, Cleveland can send them J.J. Hickson, especially if the Jazz would intend on buying-out Ilgauskas. Thus, all players would be packaged in a three-team deal, which works on the ESPN trade machine.

Why?

Cleveland does this for obvious reasons. They want a championship and they’ve been rumored to be wanting Jamison since last year. His style of play would certainly fit with LeBron and Shaq, although he’d clearly have to sacrifice shots. I think Antawn would do that if it meant winning a championship. Although, I must say that the thought of sending Jamison to Cleveland to win a title sickens me.

Utah does it because they save a bunch of money and come out looking decent with Butler and Hickson. Caron is an upstanding citizen and who knows, maybe he would mesh better with a more traditional point guard like Deron Williams and Mehmet Okur. Plus, this trade immediately frees up more time for Paul Millsap. If you’re going to pay the man, play the man.

Washington doesn’t come out all that great, especially with having to trade two great players and community leaders like Jamison and Butler while having to keep Arenas (by the way, I’m assuming here that Arenas is untrade-able and that the Wizards will not be able to void his contract), but they don’t come out all that bad.

Kirilenko still has talent (plus taking on one more year of him at $17.8 million saves more money than three more years of Jamison/Butler at $39 million total), C.J. Miles is young, and Boozer could keep the Wizards in the weak Eastern conference playoff race.

Maybe the Wizards are giving up too much, and maybe they don’t have much of a choice. Who knows. It’s just an idea.

edit: ahh it didn't copy the end...

[Tweaks]

There could be several tweaks to a trade between these three teams, such as Jamison and Oberto heading to Cleveland; Ilgauskas, Butler, James and Foye heading to Utah; and Boozer, Hickson and Kirilenko heading to Washington. This tweak certainly fares better for the Wizards. Draft picks could also factor into the fairness of any deal.

 

[DG's wallet]

Sorry bout that...

I started tinkering around with this trade idea last Wednesday, but never followed up with publishing a post. Today, with Yahoo!’s Marc Spears reporting that the Utah Jazz could face a roster shake-up and Mike Jones, of Mike Jones Sports, reporting that multiple Wizards have asked to be traded, i.e., more than just Mike James, it seems like an appropriate time to float this proposal out there. And no, this is not like Bill Simmons’ silly Utah-Washington-Cleveland idea where the Wizards would lose Haywood, Jamison, Butler and James and only get Shaq and Boozer in return … although my idea is almost as drastic.

So here goes …
Utah has the Carlos Boozer issue hanging over their head, the desire to remain cheap, and is a decent team unwilling to take a big step backwards.


Washington is not in a good way. If you read this blog site, you know this. Shot out to any readers in the Philippines who know this (they really, really like the NBA over in the Phillippines).

Not many ifs, ands, or buts about it, Ernie Grunfeld needs to make a move. He also would like to save some money, or remain “flexible.”

Previously expressing the opinion that all options should be on the table for Grunfeld and that he should avoid straight salary dumps, he goes my proposition …

TO UTAH, Washington sends:
Antawn Jamison
Caron Butler
Mike James
Randy Foye

TO WASHINGTON, Utah sends:
Carlos Boozer
Andrei Kirilenko
C.J. Miles

Cost-Cutting:
In James and Foye, the Wizards are departing with about $10 million in expiring contracts, but gain about $2.3 million in expiring money by adding Boozer’s $12.3 million that the Wizards could let walk this summer.

Heading into the off-season, assuming Stevenson takes his player option for next season and the team handles Dominic McGuire’s qualifying offer situation, the Wizards would have eight players and around $52 million in total salary on the books for 2010-11 (Arenas, Miles, Stevenson, Blatche, Kirilenko, Young, McGee and McGuire). Not much lower than the $53.5 million the Wizards currently have on the books for 2010-11.

However, in the summer of 2011, since there’s a option on Miles for the ‘11-12, the Wizards could have $25.7 million set to come off the books (Kirilenko, Stevenson & Miles). Basically, $32.6 million committed to contracts ‘11-12 instead of the current $40.3 million.

Would the Jazz save $$?
Well, the Jazz could either keep the incoming parts for a playoff push, or they could trade Jamison to Cleveland for Zydrunas Ilgauskas straight up, and even do it with the under-the-table understanding that they would buy out Ilgauskas so they he could eventually re-sign with Cleveland.

(Note: the only way that Jamison could be traded again so soon, under the standard two-month embargo when the 2010 trade deadline is about six weeks away, is if he’s not packaged with other players … as I understand via NBA Salary Cap FAQ. There could also be some loop-hole workarounds.)

Between Big Z, Foye and Mike James, Utah would have over $21 million coming off the books this summer and will gain Caron Butler, who has a final year contact in 2010-11 that would cost Utah around $7 million less than Kirilenko.

Alternately …
If Utah is adamant about getting back more for Boozer, Cleveland can send them J.J. Hickson, especially if the Jazz would intend on buying-out Ilgauskas. Thus, all players would be packaged in a three-team deal, which works on the ESPN trade machine.

Why?
Cleveland does this for obvious reasons. They want a championship and they’ve been rumored to be wanting Jamison since last year. His style of play would certainly fit with LeBron and Shaq, although he’d clearly have to sacrifice shots. I think Antawn would do that if it meant winning a championship. Although, I must say that the thought of sending Jamison to Cleveland to win a title sickens me.

Utah does it because they save a bunch of money and come out looking decent with Butler and Hickson. Caron is an upstanding citizen and who knows, maybe he would mesh better with a more traditional point guard like Deron Williams and Mehmet Okur. Plus, this trade immediately frees up more time for Paul Millsap. If you’re going to pay the man, play the man.

Washington doesn’t come out all that great, especially with having to trade two great players and community leaders like Jamison and Butler while having to keep Arenas (by the way, I’m assuming here that Arenas is untrade-able and that the Wizards will not be able to void his contract), but they don’t come out all that bad.

Kirilenko still has talent (plus taking on one more year of him at $17.8 million saves more money than three more years of Jamison/Butler at $39 million total), C.J. Miles is young, and Boozer could keep the Wizards in the weak Eastern conference playoff race.

Maybe the Wizards are giving up too much, and maybe they don’t have much of a choice. Who knows. It’s just an idea.


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[Tweaks]
There could be several tweaks to a trade between these three teams, such as Jamison and Oberto heading to Cleveland; Ilgauskas, Butler, James and Foye heading to Utah; and Boozer, Hickson and Kirilenko heading to Washington. This tweak certainly fares better for the Wizards. Draft picks could also factor into the fairness of any deal.