Jose Calderon signs with Pistons

[Pioneer10]

You're saying two different things here.

In one breath, you're suggesting that there's no difference between players 6 through 11 on the Cavs, so they should all play. Then in the next breath, you're saying 2 of the 11 guys will see their minutes cut... which is exactly the point I was making originally that you argued against.

Two things are true here.

1. Jose and Korver both deserve to play. They've both made positive impacts all year.
2. The Cavs will not be able to successfully play 11 players. They might *attempt* to do it, but it won't work.

My curiosity comes from which guys see their minutes reduced and which ones don't. My fear is that Calderon, Korver and Nance see their minutes reduced while JR and Tristan continue to play rotation minutes.

Can't emphasize this enough as this is key to the post-season IMO: the coaching staff need to figure this out ASAP and have the balls to cut back on JR and Tristan.
Rotation minutes have to be divided among all of these at the worst serviceable players: Lebron, Love, Hill, Hood, Nance, Korver, Clarkson, Calderon, Green, TT, JR, Osman, Zizic. That's 13 players and playoff rotations are typically 8-9 players

I don't necessarily agree with this but because of youth Zizic and Osman are both likely to get cut of out of the rotation: that gets you to 11

The next obvious one to go for me is Tristan which would get you to 10 and I think that you can make it work but you know that not going to happen and you still need two people or at least one to put out of the rotation. I think that means Calderon because this coaching staff lacks the balls to take out TT and JR is going to be taken out of the rotation completely and Korver/Nance see reduced minutes. Which will be immensely stupid as both the eye test and the +/- agree that the team wins with these guys.

 

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"I think they were really worried about LeBron because of what he did the last game we played them," Calderon said. "So I was trying to be aggressive just to open up that for later in the game. I think for me being aggressive, after they went to cover me, went to a different coverage and K Love got easy shots."

He doesn't need any coach, he coach himself.

 

[Benedict_Boozer]

I think that means Calderon because this coaching staff lacks the ball to do it is taken out of the rotation completely and Korver/Nance see reduced minutes. Which will be immensely stupid as both the eye test and the +/- agree that the team wins with these guys.

I wouldn't remove him from the rotation personally. I think Clarkson needs to play next to a guy like Calderon to avoid going into tunnel vision mode.

Lebron also lets Calderon handle the ball which keeps the offense flowing much better. And given the staff basically plays Lebron two 12 minute stretches and at least 6-7 minutes of the other 2 quarters, they would have plenty of time alongside each other.

 

[K1rieIrving>AllOtherPG's]

"I think they were really worried about LeBron because of what he did the last game we played them," Calderon said. "So I was trying to be aggressive just to open up that for later in the game. I think for me being aggressive, after they went to cover me, went to a different coverage and K Love got easy shots."

He doesn't need any coach, he coach himself.

That’s the smartest thing I’ve heard from anybody associated with the cavaliers all season, can Papa De Lonzo be our coach

 

[Heej]

I think the reason he thrives so well next to LeBron is he's got some of the highest bball IQ in the league. Way more than George Hill. I might be bugging but if you put Jose's brain inside Hill's damn athletic and lanky body he'd be an all star or fringe all star putting up 19/6/3 nightly

 

[priceFTW]

I think the reason he thrives so well next to LeBron is he's got some of the highest bball IQ in the league. Way more than George Hill. I might be bugging but if you put Jose's brain inside Hill's damn athletic and lanky body he'd be an all star or fringe all star putting up 19/6/3 nightly

And you can tell LeBron respects his BBIQ because he lets Calderon initiate plays and handle the ball. LeBron also sets really good picks for him (compare these to the ones for IT).

If Bron lets you handle the ball, initiate the play, AND sets picks for you, you know he respects you.

 

[LeShaq]

And you can tell LeBron respects his BBIQ because he lets Calderon intiate plays and handle the ball. LeBron also sets really good picks for him (compare these to the ones for IT).

If Bron lets you handle the ball, initiate the play, AND sets picks for you, you know he respects you.

Drew said after the game that Love told him during last night's game that Jose is great at helping the screener out before he sets the screen:

http://www.neosportsinsiders.com/ca...urface-in-win-over-raptors-three-takeaways/4/

Postgame, both Love and Larry Drew talked about Calderon’s ability in pick and roll sets. Drew even said Love came up to him during the game saying that Calderon does a good job of setting his man up before Love or another big even sets a screen. As a result, the Cavs were able to find a lot of success in their pick and roll sets with both Love and James on Tuesday.

I'm sure LeBron knows that if he sets a screen for Jose, good things are going to happen. Including LeBron getting a lot of easy shots off the action.

 

[Heej]

And you can tell LeBron respects his BBIQ because he lets Calderon intiate plays and handle the ball. LeBron also sets really good picks for him (compare these to the ones for IT).

If Bron lets you handle the ball, initiate the play, AND sets picks for you, you know he respects you.

Dude it's crazy he rolls more for Jose than anyone I've seen since Delly

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Can't emphasize this enough as this is key to the post-season IMO: the coaching staff need to figure this out ASAP and have the balls to cut back on JR and Tristan.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'll disagree with you in terms of JR. He has been a much better bench player (which has shocked the shit out of me) than starter, and I don't see a reason to plan on cutting his minutes just yet. I do think there should be a quick hook on him if he comes into a game with a lack of defensive intensity, though.

That's kind of why I wish Cedi was getting some run. He's our best wing defender other than LBJ, and being able to insert him situationally (not as a regular part of the rotation) to get some stops or to disrupt an offense would be a nice tool for the coach to have in his pocket.

TT...yeah. Dude's minutes should have been cut substantially already.

 

[Pioneer10]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'll disagree with you in terms of JR. He has been a much better bench player (which has shocked the shit out of me) than starter, and I don't see a reason to plan on cutting his minutes just yet. I do think there should be a quick hook on him if he comes into a game with a lack of defensive intensity, though.

That's kind of why I wish Cedi was getting some run. He's our best wing defender other than LBJ, and being able to insert him situationally (not as a regular part of the rotation) to get some stops or to disrupt an offense would be a nice tool for the coach to have in his pocket.

TT...yeah. Dude's minutes should have been cut substantially already.

I get that so that is why TT is the key. If you take Osman, Zizic, and TT out of the rotation that leaves with with 10 which is at least a manageable. Ideally at that point you either go with Clarkson or JR whoever is feeling it that day as both are streaky as hell and have similar strengths and weaknesses. Essentially if you play Clarkson/JR as one entity that gets you down to a 9 man rotation which is far more typical for a playoff rotation.

Between Love and Nance at the C spot you can rotate Green, Lebron, Love/Nance at the PF spot which is likely what we want to do anyway. Key is keep giving minutes to guys like Calderon/Nance/Hood who the team plays better when they are in and not reputation alone

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I get that so that is why TT is the key. If you take Osman, Zizic, and TT out of the rotation that leaves with with 10 which is at least a manageable. Ideally at that point you either go with Clarkson or JR whoever is feeling it that day as both are streaky as hell and have similar strengths and weaknesses. Essentially if you play Clarkson/JR as one entity that gets you down to a 9 man rotation which is far more typical for a playoff rotation.

Between Love and Nance at the C spot you can rotate Green, Lebron, Love/Nance at the PF spot which is likely what we want to do anyway. Key is keep giving minutes to guys like Calderon/Nance/Hood who the team plays better when they are in and not reputation alone

Had Lue given more minutes to either of the rookies earlier in the season, I'd probably argue with you here. But in the end, I think you're right. They really can't be part of the playoff rotation. And I do like the idea of going with the hot hand (or whomever decides to play the best defense) between Clarkson and JR.

The only thing I'd say is that if any of the new guys (including Green), or even JR, falls down in early playoff series, I would yank them from the rotation and try someone else. None of those guys are good enough to be "trusted" if they screw up.

 

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Change thread name to Jose CaldeGoat

You guys think Jose will stay at Cleveland for the next year?

 

[Cavatt]

Change thread name to Jose CaldeGoat

You guys think Jose will stay at Cleveland for the next year?

I'd guess if we win he retires, but man he seems to be in really good shape. I have never once said, "Calderon needs a blow he looks gassed." He is in really good condition and plays with a pace where he seems like he can sustain for long periods. I'd like him back no matter what if he is up for it. Last year Jefferson seemed to not have the legs anymore, but in 2016 he was impressive in a similar way.

Don't want to leave out Korver, he also seems in really good shape. Our old guys have not played their age, and I think they have been awesome.

 

[Pioneer10]

Had Lue given more minutes to either of the rookies earlier in the season, I'd probably argue with you here. But in the end, I think you're right. They really can't be part of the playoff rotation. And I do like the idea of going with the hot hand (or whomever decides to play the best defense) between Clarkson and JR.

The only thing I'd say is that if any of the new guys (including Green), or even JR, falls down in early playoff series, I would yank them from the rotation and try someone else. None of those guys are good enough to be "trusted" if they screw up.

Agree and I would say the way things have worked this season this is far from what I would like to see happen but sitting TT is the only semi-realistic way where the rotations are shortened and we maximize lineups

However, most likely scenario remains Calderon gets pulled completely, Nance plays like 15 minutes a game and we muddle around with TT getting 20-30 mpg regardless of the huge opportunity costs he presents. God knows what is going to happen to Korver, Hood, Clarkson, JR. Hood is the most versatile of the group and least likely to carelessly shoot our team out of multiple possessions so most likely he gets the most minutes

 

[avs2000]

I'd guess if we win he retires, but man he seems to be in really good shape. I have never once said, "Calderon needs a blow he looks gassed." He is in really good condition and plays with a pace where he seems like he can sustain for long periods. I'd like him back no matter what if he is up for it. Last year Jefferson seemed to not have the legs anymore, but in 2016 he was impressive in a similar way.

Don't want to leave out Korver, he also seems in really good shape. Our old guys have not played their age, and I think they have been awesome.

would love to see Jose back if LBJ leaves or not
He and LBJ obviously plays great together. The fact that LBJ lets him handle the ball makes the offense so much more effective

Would love to see him back as well if LBJ leaves. Great role model for younger players and I think he could keep the offense moving better.

just not sure he would want to play for a rebuilding team. On the other hand would he get a tone of mins on another real contender...would think he would if he plays at this level

I said wtf when koby signed him. Jokes on me, just a great signing